ujjwal_p
05-11 05:00 PM
I completely agree with you.
As a Tamil, I too carry the Indian passport with shame and can't wait to see the day when I become a US citizen.
Let me be the first to say, all the best to you to get the US citizenship fast... and more importantly good riddance... And all the best for Americans to get a model citizen like you. By the way, I hope you do know about the oath you need to take to become an American. Hope you do that sincerely and are not narrow-minded then.
As a Tamil, I too carry the Indian passport with shame and can't wait to see the day when I become a US citizen.
Let me be the first to say, all the best to you to get the US citizenship fast... and more importantly good riddance... And all the best for Americans to get a model citizen like you. By the way, I hope you do know about the oath you need to take to become an American. Hope you do that sincerely and are not narrow-minded then.
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mihird
10-09 04:24 PM
what if both husband & wife get jobs and come here on TN vsia, then how does TD visa apply because both are working? is that possible for both to work in US without one getting into this TD tangle?
db
You won't get into the TD tangle similar to not getting into the H4 tangle if both are qualified, intending to work and qualify for their respective TNs..
db
You won't get into the TD tangle similar to not getting into the H4 tangle if both are qualified, intending to work and qualify for their respective TNs..
sobyb
05-01 05:17 PM
Tomorrow if we or our generations are getting killed in the US, would you say the same thing. Now do you understand why the country needs to care about its people no matter where they are.
"Tomorrow if we or our generations are getting killed in the US, would you say the same thing" ....
Of course yes! If our generations are US citizens, US govt should take care of them and if they are part of any terrorist organisation, they should be treated the way terrorists are treated.
"Country needs to care about its people" ... Its is in your quote ... Issue is about Srilankan's and their goverment should take care of it, NOT India. I don't think any one has a doubt about how LTTE should be handled.
"Tomorrow if we or our generations are getting killed in the US, would you say the same thing" ....
Of course yes! If our generations are US citizens, US govt should take care of them and if they are part of any terrorist organisation, they should be treated the way terrorists are treated.
"Country needs to care about its people" ... Its is in your quote ... Issue is about Srilankan's and their goverment should take care of it, NOT India. I don't think any one has a doubt about how LTTE should be handled.
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chintanop
07-03 11:25 PM
Totally agree!
Digg is about how fast the story becomes popular.. even though we had large number of diggs with previous stories, it wasnt fast enough.
Lets all digg this...NOW! FAST!
http://digg.com/politics/USCIS_Visa_scandal (http://digg.com/politics/USCIS_Visa_scandal)
Guys, we are all computer friendly unlike our previous generation,lets use the internet to the fullest.
Please dig the link so ppl understand the scenario and making the news sensational but true helps!! Please add your comments to the blog ,hopefully, comments not 2 frustrated or impolite. Remember we claim to be legal immigrants,lets show some refinement and class :)
Digg is about how fast the story becomes popular.. even though we had large number of diggs with previous stories, it wasnt fast enough.
Lets all digg this...NOW! FAST!
http://digg.com/politics/USCIS_Visa_scandal (http://digg.com/politics/USCIS_Visa_scandal)
Guys, we are all computer friendly unlike our previous generation,lets use the internet to the fullest.
Please dig the link so ppl understand the scenario and making the news sensational but true helps!! Please add your comments to the blog ,hopefully, comments not 2 frustrated or impolite. Remember we claim to be legal immigrants,lets show some refinement and class :)
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BharatPremi
10-25 04:45 PM
what is definition of "canadian business".
Ans: The company originally set up in any province in canada.
- May have business interest/setup in other countries in terms of
branch/subcidiary or partnership with other compny in otehr country.
can we extrpoltae your suggestion little bit more or is it asking for
too much
1. once you have PR ask your wife to open a company A.
2. As a employee of company A you can come over to USA while maintainig your PR status. You should still be considered to be covered under candian business wanting the employee to work on international projects..
can this theory fly...all this assuming no EAD filling in near future
Ans: Keys: 1) companies MUST be set in both canada and US
2) For investing you need not to be resident. This is true for both
US and Canada.
3) For filing GC you MUST be an employee. IF you are investor
you can not file GC under your company
4) US GC is very lengthy process. How you can make sure your
employment for around 7 to 8 years? So considering this and point 3, convince your wife to set the business both in Canada nad USA.
- Since you can not become investor to achieve US GC ( Considering to apply through Employment category .. which is cheap cost option), make
your wife a boss and let her run business. You become an employee in Company A (Canada)set by her. Tell her to set company B in US. Tell her to find the project in US. Let her tell the client (USA) to go into contract with company B. Company B's owner (Your wife) will make a contract with Company A ( Here also your wife is an owner) for the position at that client. Being an employee of company A ("Canadian Business") your employer (your wife) will put a TN visa request to the consulate showing USA's client (comany B) business need. Upon approval you fly to USA (Now your wife is your family so wife will also fly with you) for starting a job. You will be considered "Physical Resident" of Canada as "Canadian Business" sent you to USA for business need. Now after some time tell Company B ( Owner: Your Wife)to file US GC application for "Future Employment". As long as you keep getting valid project work in USA, now you will be in a position to stop counting years of GC process. You will be able to maintain Canadian PR , can become Canadian citizen after 3 years and wait for US GC coolly. Ofcourse every year TN will have to be renewed.
Possible flaws in theory: 1) Double taxes (In Canada nad US) ( Will require some research and good advise from Tax expert from both in Canada and US)
2) May affect TN renewals adversely !!? ( No idea.. suggestions welcome).
To me this way of thinking seems to be perfectly legal.. But I think we should better ask some good professinal lawyers who are experts for both Canadian and US immigration.
Ans: The company originally set up in any province in canada.
- May have business interest/setup in other countries in terms of
branch/subcidiary or partnership with other compny in otehr country.
can we extrpoltae your suggestion little bit more or is it asking for
too much
1. once you have PR ask your wife to open a company A.
2. As a employee of company A you can come over to USA while maintainig your PR status. You should still be considered to be covered under candian business wanting the employee to work on international projects..
can this theory fly...all this assuming no EAD filling in near future
Ans: Keys: 1) companies MUST be set in both canada and US
2) For investing you need not to be resident. This is true for both
US and Canada.
3) For filing GC you MUST be an employee. IF you are investor
you can not file GC under your company
4) US GC is very lengthy process. How you can make sure your
employment for around 7 to 8 years? So considering this and point 3, convince your wife to set the business both in Canada nad USA.
- Since you can not become investor to achieve US GC ( Considering to apply through Employment category .. which is cheap cost option), make
your wife a boss and let her run business. You become an employee in Company A (Canada)set by her. Tell her to set company B in US. Tell her to find the project in US. Let her tell the client (USA) to go into contract with company B. Company B's owner (Your wife) will make a contract with Company A ( Here also your wife is an owner) for the position at that client. Being an employee of company A ("Canadian Business") your employer (your wife) will put a TN visa request to the consulate showing USA's client (comany B) business need. Upon approval you fly to USA (Now your wife is your family so wife will also fly with you) for starting a job. You will be considered "Physical Resident" of Canada as "Canadian Business" sent you to USA for business need. Now after some time tell Company B ( Owner: Your Wife)to file US GC application for "Future Employment". As long as you keep getting valid project work in USA, now you will be in a position to stop counting years of GC process. You will be able to maintain Canadian PR , can become Canadian citizen after 3 years and wait for US GC coolly. Ofcourse every year TN will have to be renewed.
Possible flaws in theory: 1) Double taxes (In Canada nad US) ( Will require some research and good advise from Tax expert from both in Canada and US)
2) May affect TN renewals adversely !!? ( No idea.. suggestions welcome).
To me this way of thinking seems to be perfectly legal.. But I think we should better ask some good professinal lawyers who are experts for both Canadian and US immigration.
snram4
01-15 05:48 PM
For the past 2 years there were so many RFEs and denials and no body knew what basis. But if they bring a regulation and follow that everybody can prepare ahead and no surprises. It is not a question of making profit. They have to make profit by following law and ethics and not by using loopholes. The regulations will make the companies to follow the rules of the game. If bodyshoppers follow the law and ethics without any fraud they will become reputed companies and the regulations will not destroy them. But their profit may go down but good for everyone. Inspite of insane rules annual cap is reached even unemployment is decade high. I would term protectionist if annual cap is reduced or they make restrictions such that h1b cap usage is so low. In India best persons are available and whatever restrictions they put Indian techies will overcome unless they block it completely. 65k H1b is attached to WTO and no way they can reduce that.
snram4,
It seems you are concerned about companies making profit than what happens to you. That is a typical socialist/communist thought process. Communists/socialists are worried/jealous about companies making profit rather than their own well being. Ironically you are in the capitalist meca of the world.
If you are not fine with companies making profit, you shouldn't be here in the first place.
H1B rules are on the slavery lines already. Think about all the restrictions we have to undergo just because of H1B. Irrespective of whether H1B is allowed on consulting, consulting is here to stay in US and all over the world. If not H1B, Citizens and GC holders will do the consulting.
The only thing many of us are good at is screwing our own countrymen and colleagues. Did it ever come to your thought that existing H1B rules are insane already ?
snram4,
It seems you are concerned about companies making profit than what happens to you. That is a typical socialist/communist thought process. Communists/socialists are worried/jealous about companies making profit rather than their own well being. Ironically you are in the capitalist meca of the world.
If you are not fine with companies making profit, you shouldn't be here in the first place.
H1B rules are on the slavery lines already. Think about all the restrictions we have to undergo just because of H1B. Irrespective of whether H1B is allowed on consulting, consulting is here to stay in US and all over the world. If not H1B, Citizens and GC holders will do the consulting.
The only thing many of us are good at is screwing our own countrymen and colleagues. Did it ever come to your thought that existing H1B rules are insane already ?
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senthil1
06-11 10:50 PM
There were many compelling reasons for recapture bill on 1999-2000. Top 3 reasons were
1. Demand was very high and in some areas only less than 2 persons were available for 4 positions.
2. Outsourcing was very low. There is no other way than importing foreigners. Now even if demand increases many positions are going for outsourcing.
3.There were no AC21. So many people started leaving country after completion of 6 years H1b causing huge problems to companies and country.Companies could get recapture and AC21. Now atleast 80% of the H1b persons are willing to stay even 15 years without green card using ac21.
Now only green card aspirants are suffering due to deley in green card not the companies or country. But country and companies are using the H1b persons by just showing green card carrot but actually not giving it.
Dilip Dude,
As said before by unseenguy, your case is just plain LUCK, if there was no bill during 1999-2000 to recapture and increase GC quota, you would have been still struck in BEC counting days for GC,forget Citizenship. Just because you are over qualified(or under!) than others does not make you special or get you GC faster, you just had some good KARMA, thats it...
Anyways, your attitude of blaming others(h1/l1 etc.) for decrease in your quality of life is just plain STUPID and shows your maturity.
I wish you are not in a managerial position, I have seen many Desi managers like you who give hard time to fellow Desi folks working under them thinking they rule the world and they are the only qualified one who knows all.
My advice is wish good for others not bad, this will get you more good karma and maybe get your citizenship faster.. :-)
1. Demand was very high and in some areas only less than 2 persons were available for 4 positions.
2. Outsourcing was very low. There is no other way than importing foreigners. Now even if demand increases many positions are going for outsourcing.
3.There were no AC21. So many people started leaving country after completion of 6 years H1b causing huge problems to companies and country.Companies could get recapture and AC21. Now atleast 80% of the H1b persons are willing to stay even 15 years without green card using ac21.
Now only green card aspirants are suffering due to deley in green card not the companies or country. But country and companies are using the H1b persons by just showing green card carrot but actually not giving it.
Dilip Dude,
As said before by unseenguy, your case is just plain LUCK, if there was no bill during 1999-2000 to recapture and increase GC quota, you would have been still struck in BEC counting days for GC,forget Citizenship. Just because you are over qualified(or under!) than others does not make you special or get you GC faster, you just had some good KARMA, thats it...
Anyways, your attitude of blaming others(h1/l1 etc.) for decrease in your quality of life is just plain STUPID and shows your maturity.
I wish you are not in a managerial position, I have seen many Desi managers like you who give hard time to fellow Desi folks working under them thinking they rule the world and they are the only qualified one who knows all.
My advice is wish good for others not bad, this will get you more good karma and maybe get your citizenship faster.. :-)
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cdeneo
09-20 12:52 PM
Thanks for vounterring your time and helping the immigrant community out -
My question -
EB3-India
PD: Dec 2004
I-140 approved.
I-485 applied: July 2007
EAD and AP approved
I recently quit my job and have been out of work for 2+ months, looking to get on to another job on EAD now.
1. Are there any risks to my AOS application with I not being employed for 2-4 months? I-140 petition is approved, worked at my last employer for more than 180 days from my date of I-485 filing. Left my last employer on good terms, I-140 petition will not be revoked.
2. As for the new job, would getting a new job on contract (possibly a 12 month contract with a Fortune 50 company) be a problem? I was under the impression that one needs full time employment but wanted to clarify since the contracting vendor is willing to hire me for the 12 month term on W2 and was wondering if that would be sufficient. What kind of Employment Verification Letter may I have to produce incase I get an RFE for the same during this time period.
I would really appreciate your input. Thanks!
My question -
EB3-India
PD: Dec 2004
I-140 approved.
I-485 applied: July 2007
EAD and AP approved
I recently quit my job and have been out of work for 2+ months, looking to get on to another job on EAD now.
1. Are there any risks to my AOS application with I not being employed for 2-4 months? I-140 petition is approved, worked at my last employer for more than 180 days from my date of I-485 filing. Left my last employer on good terms, I-140 petition will not be revoked.
2. As for the new job, would getting a new job on contract (possibly a 12 month contract with a Fortune 50 company) be a problem? I was under the impression that one needs full time employment but wanted to clarify since the contracting vendor is willing to hire me for the 12 month term on W2 and was wondering if that would be sufficient. What kind of Employment Verification Letter may I have to produce incase I get an RFE for the same during this time period.
I would really appreciate your input. Thanks!
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swo
07-13 02:51 AM
I spent over 20 years in Canada. Fact is, I never EVER waited a month to see a doctor. Not once. Nor has my sister who is still there.
I spent 7 years in Australia. Never had a problem getting a doctor there either. In fact, I will say that it truly is AWESOME there. Great people, great opporunities, good money, incredible lifestyle.
I have spent 7 years in the US. It's a wonderful place with heaps of opportunity. The cost of living is higher than any other place but I accept it because because I like so much about living here. I like the people, I like the weather. I like the countryside and the culture.
You see, for me, there are many great things to be found in all 3 of these places. It's not a contest. There are good and bad aspects to life in any place you chose. In that one area, I agree with you. There are pros and cons that need to be considered. What you choose is a personal decision based on your needs, objectives and desires.
It's that simple.
One last thing. Normally, I'd let this go. After all not everyone's first language is English. But when you start making ludicrous remarks about "illiterate Canadians", and demonstrate in that very same post that you are unable to construct a single decent sentence, well frankly, you're undermining your argument a little.
And by the way, Canada has one of the top literacy rates in the world.
And Do you (canadian wanna be) have any clue that to get respected salary and position you will be forced by illiterate Canadians to have "Professional Engineering Certificates"... It will suck blood out of your body for 5 years... So just do not read "Greener Side" of Canadian Immigration... I know it may not be applicable to all but more or less most of will have to face the same music in their careers. My all Canadian friends and relatives want to be Americans.. Only some of them practically could proceed for that.. After some stage of life it becomes hard to move families.. That is the reason they are facing now to take decision and simultaneously do not want to live in Canada anymore.. If you have 101 fever it will take 1 month to have Doctor's appointment... GST.. Higher taxes.. statistically there are chances "Most of members of this forum - Canadian Wanna Be" will have less promotions and/or increments in salary eventhough they will find themselves most skilled wherever they will work. Top posts would be the dream for most of you guys unless you start your own business.. if you understand what I am trying to tell... In USA it is not that way.... Having said this I can not say that everybody will experience the same what I am trying to portray but most fo them will.
I spent 7 years in Australia. Never had a problem getting a doctor there either. In fact, I will say that it truly is AWESOME there. Great people, great opporunities, good money, incredible lifestyle.
I have spent 7 years in the US. It's a wonderful place with heaps of opportunity. The cost of living is higher than any other place but I accept it because because I like so much about living here. I like the people, I like the weather. I like the countryside and the culture.
You see, for me, there are many great things to be found in all 3 of these places. It's not a contest. There are good and bad aspects to life in any place you chose. In that one area, I agree with you. There are pros and cons that need to be considered. What you choose is a personal decision based on your needs, objectives and desires.
It's that simple.
One last thing. Normally, I'd let this go. After all not everyone's first language is English. But when you start making ludicrous remarks about "illiterate Canadians", and demonstrate in that very same post that you are unable to construct a single decent sentence, well frankly, you're undermining your argument a little.
And by the way, Canada has one of the top literacy rates in the world.
And Do you (canadian wanna be) have any clue that to get respected salary and position you will be forced by illiterate Canadians to have "Professional Engineering Certificates"... It will suck blood out of your body for 5 years... So just do not read "Greener Side" of Canadian Immigration... I know it may not be applicable to all but more or less most of will have to face the same music in their careers. My all Canadian friends and relatives want to be Americans.. Only some of them practically could proceed for that.. After some stage of life it becomes hard to move families.. That is the reason they are facing now to take decision and simultaneously do not want to live in Canada anymore.. If you have 101 fever it will take 1 month to have Doctor's appointment... GST.. Higher taxes.. statistically there are chances "Most of members of this forum - Canadian Wanna Be" will have less promotions and/or increments in salary eventhough they will find themselves most skilled wherever they will work. Top posts would be the dream for most of you guys unless you start your own business.. if you understand what I am trying to tell... In USA it is not that way.... Having said this I can not say that everybody will experience the same what I am trying to portray but most fo them will.
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mirage
03-30 05:20 PM
Problem is we Indians see Indira Gandhi Airport, Jawaharlal Mission, Rajiv Gandhi Electricity Yojna, Indira Gandhi University, Jawahar Lal Uniiversity, Rajiv Gandhi Jal Sansthan, Rajiv Gandhi This Indira Gandhi that, so we get a feeling as if we are breathing just because of these 3 individuals. They are too good at advertising their Netas, that you just forget if anybody else ever existed... Govt is never one man effort/show.It is a team effort. Just like software projects are.For sure it will not be one man show with BJP.We have NDA's rule for example.While we are that NDA had allies in it too.
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El_Guapo
01-14 01:13 PM
The right to control the beneficiary is different from actual control. An employer may have the right to control the beneficiary's job-related duties and yet not excercise actual control over each function performed by that beneficiary. The employer-employee relationship hinges on the right to control the beneficiary.
Don't all companies have the right to control the beneficiary? For instance, a sponsoring company has every right to determine if an employee shall be placed on a project billed at $50/hr or if they seek another project/client with a higher billing rate. Similarly, the employer has every right to determine if the employee will be placed at a client requiring a project manager or at a client requiring a developer, thus effectively controlling the beneficiary's job-related duties!
This is a good point. This leaves a grey area, isn't it? I give you green for this El_Guapo.
Don't all companies have the right to control the beneficiary? For instance, a sponsoring company has every right to determine if an employee shall be placed on a project billed at $50/hr or if they seek another project/client with a higher billing rate. Similarly, the employer has every right to determine if the employee will be placed at a client requiring a project manager or at a client requiring a developer, thus effectively controlling the beneficiary's job-related duties!
This is a good point. This leaves a grey area, isn't it? I give you green for this El_Guapo.
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pappu
07-02 06:08 PM
Immigration Voice is compiling experiences from members on the 02/07 Visa Bulletin incident. Please see the posts below.
We encourage members to share their experiences with us. Please look at the posts below for focus and talking points, and post your stories on IV at
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?p=99550#post99550
with details on:
a) Your current Green Card Status
b) If you have yet sent in your I-485 application
c) Your contact details along with Name and handle on IV. IV is mindful of your privacy and will share this information externally only with prior consent. No anonymous write-ups, please
d) IMPORTANT: We want to keep our focus in our stories only on the following issues:
- Impact of 07/02 on your application (Quality of life issues, time and money expended, inconvenience experienced, et al)
- Request USCIS /DOS to consider accepting 485s filed
- Please refrain from mentioning AILA or even questioning the mechanics of USCIS in the past few days
- Please refrain from using strong negative accusatory adjectives while refering to any federal or state agency
Some of our key members will guide you through the process.
WHAT'S BEEN DONE ALREADY
Stories that have been accepted for publishing are listed on our blog at immigrationvoice.blogspot.com
http://www.prlog.org/10022648-no-celebration-for-thousands-of-highly-skilled-future-americans-this-july-4th.html
The above story ranked the highest (over 3500 views) in the last 7 days on prlog.
An additional story was also released yesterday:
http://www.prlog.org/10022854-american-dream-suspended-on-the-eve-of-july-fourth-for-several-thousand-legal-green-card-aspirants.html
WHAT YOU CAN DO
a) Distribute the above stories (Other blogs, contacts)
b) Submit more write-ups
We encourage members to share their experiences with us. Please look at the posts below for focus and talking points, and post your stories on IV at
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?p=99550#post99550
with details on:
a) Your current Green Card Status
b) If you have yet sent in your I-485 application
c) Your contact details along with Name and handle on IV. IV is mindful of your privacy and will share this information externally only with prior consent. No anonymous write-ups, please
d) IMPORTANT: We want to keep our focus in our stories only on the following issues:
- Impact of 07/02 on your application (Quality of life issues, time and money expended, inconvenience experienced, et al)
- Request USCIS /DOS to consider accepting 485s filed
- Please refrain from mentioning AILA or even questioning the mechanics of USCIS in the past few days
- Please refrain from using strong negative accusatory adjectives while refering to any federal or state agency
Some of our key members will guide you through the process.
WHAT'S BEEN DONE ALREADY
Stories that have been accepted for publishing are listed on our blog at immigrationvoice.blogspot.com
http://www.prlog.org/10022648-no-celebration-for-thousands-of-highly-skilled-future-americans-this-july-4th.html
The above story ranked the highest (over 3500 views) in the last 7 days on prlog.
An additional story was also released yesterday:
http://www.prlog.org/10022854-american-dream-suspended-on-the-eve-of-july-fourth-for-several-thousand-legal-green-card-aspirants.html
WHAT YOU CAN DO
a) Distribute the above stories (Other blogs, contacts)
b) Submit more write-ups
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conchshell
09-23 08:27 AM
Nixtor, this idea is worth trying. If people who are buyinh house can be exempted from the VB quota, this will free up extra visas and will help those people who will not buy a house.
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07-26 11:44 PM
Good One !!!
I was approached by a Quixtar "Business Owner" in Ikea. I had fallen in their trap once before and had to listen to the whole business plan and how I was wasting my life working for someone else etc. etc.
He used his signature opening line: Are you Indian?
I replied: NO
Poor fellow didn't know what to say next.
I was approached by a Quixtar "Business Owner" in Ikea. I had fallen in their trap once before and had to listen to the whole business plan and how I was wasting my life working for someone else etc. etc.
He used his signature opening line: Are you Indian?
I replied: NO
Poor fellow didn't know what to say next.
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sabbygirl99
03-20 02:37 PM
The title is pretty self-explanatory. Basically, I want to know whether I can legally continue my GC process in US once I get Canadian PR? What would I have to do? I read the blog from the guy who said he had an address, account in Canada but worked in US. I couldn't tell, though, whether he ended up keeping his Canadian PR...and also - whether he ended up getting the US Green Card in the end?? Appreciate any help!!!
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ramus
07-03 09:24 PM
Please give input to Mecaca on this so he can come with good template that we can use to send email to reporters..
Every one please give your thoughts/input on this.
I am trying an outline for sending to media + lawmakers + ...
The following is a very rough draft without reading some of the letters posted in the thread. I will read the posts tomorrow and polish it by tomorrow evening. I will need everyone's input since I don't know all the issues.
What happened
USCIS announced at the time the forms were due.
Applicants started filling forms 2-3 weeks before July 2.
Applicants changed their schedules to submit forms.
Advantages of EAD + AP
Don't know all!
Travel without visa -> saves Embassy overhead.
Spouse can work.
Can switch job.
Why does it hurt
Medical will not be valid after 1 year.
Rejected June filers can not file.
June filers did not file because they thought they will file in July.
Fees more then doubling
Name checking (which can take 1+ year) done in parallel with waiting for GC #.
Load balancing for USCIS.
USCIS which is supported 90% by application fee needs to care for applicants.
Very little chance of legislative relief for a looong time.
Every one please give your thoughts/input on this.
I am trying an outline for sending to media + lawmakers + ...
The following is a very rough draft without reading some of the letters posted in the thread. I will read the posts tomorrow and polish it by tomorrow evening. I will need everyone's input since I don't know all the issues.
What happened
USCIS announced at the time the forms were due.
Applicants started filling forms 2-3 weeks before July 2.
Applicants changed their schedules to submit forms.
Advantages of EAD + AP
Don't know all!
Travel without visa -> saves Embassy overhead.
Spouse can work.
Can switch job.
Why does it hurt
Medical will not be valid after 1 year.
Rejected June filers can not file.
June filers did not file because they thought they will file in July.
Fees more then doubling
Name checking (which can take 1+ year) done in parallel with waiting for GC #.
Load balancing for USCIS.
USCIS which is supported 90% by application fee needs to care for applicants.
Very little chance of legislative relief for a looong time.
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jsb
06-04 01:20 PM
I agree. These are semantics of the process. Whatever they do it should appear to be an admin fix, rather than bypassing the law.
This is what I was also proposing in another thread. we should ask for an administrative fix where once the application is pre adjudicated the applicant should be left alone and not issed any Employment verification letter rfe, or semilar\same job restrictions if they are back logged because of country quota and face multiple year wait, this way atleast it will give people some breating space, the way the system if set up right now, EAD, 485 pre adjudication, I140 approval are all useless if you keep getting Employment verification letter rfe and same semilar job rquirement. Without visa recapure it is going to take atleast 10 years for Eb3 and Eb2 india, in the next 10 years you will keep getting Employement verifivation letter rfe and semilar and same job requirement, there is no way anybody can survive that for 10 yeears. Administrative fix like this can happen without passing a law, for example USCIS started issuing 2 year EAD for retrogressed applicants as an administrative fix. We dont even need a interim green card we can continue on EAD with the administrative fix to exempt cases which have been preadjucated (485) from Employment verification letter RFE and same and semilar job requirement.
This is what I was also proposing in another thread. we should ask for an administrative fix where once the application is pre adjudicated the applicant should be left alone and not issed any Employment verification letter rfe, or semilar\same job restrictions if they are back logged because of country quota and face multiple year wait, this way atleast it will give people some breating space, the way the system if set up right now, EAD, 485 pre adjudication, I140 approval are all useless if you keep getting Employment verification letter rfe and same semilar job rquirement. Without visa recapure it is going to take atleast 10 years for Eb3 and Eb2 india, in the next 10 years you will keep getting Employement verifivation letter rfe and semilar and same job requirement, there is no way anybody can survive that for 10 yeears. Administrative fix like this can happen without passing a law, for example USCIS started issuing 2 year EAD for retrogressed applicants as an administrative fix. We dont even need a interim green card we can continue on EAD with the administrative fix to exempt cases which have been preadjucated (485) from Employment verification letter RFE and same and semilar job requirement.
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06-12 05:11 PM
I hear you buddy but that is what America is and that is what makes America so great. The constant flow of immigrants will always require you to keep upgrading your skills and hence your salary.
The moment you were forced to enroll in MBA in an effort to upgrade your skills and increase your salary means American model and (comparative advantage) economics are working.
The same thing happened in agriculture, then manufacturing, and now IT and other industries. It is inevitable!
By the way, it is not dumping. Here is the real definition of dumping, "the act of a manufacturer in one country exporting a product to another country at a price which is either below the price it charges in its home market or is below its costs of production".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dumping_(pricing_policy)
For your information, I was, am and will most likely continue to be affected by the outsourcing/offshoring/onshoring/immigration/etc.
I am simply stumped at the level of comprehension of the folks right here. Let me summarize my views as points and hopefully I will get through to you guys
1. My mention of BITS was not to prove that I was the best and the brightest. It was to prove that my education was NOT subsidized by the govt of India directly or indirectly. Remember passing out of any university doesnt confer the title of the best and the brightest. Unseenguy - If you have kicked the ass of IITians, bitsians etc then consider yourselves genuine. Why this unnecessary trip down "Not confident about myself lane" ?
2. My mention of MSFT was again not to prove that I am part of the best and rightest. It was to prove that I came here not with the value proposition of low costs but with the value proposition of hardwork and some talent. I did not compromise on my pay or did replace any native employee. Oh BTW I left MSFT in 2000
3. My mention of the 3 layoffs and my journey was to inform you guys that whatever is happening now is similar to whatever happened in 2001. I wanted to calm down the nerves of the genuine people. Without reading and comprehending the posts, I get responses like that I was an illegal. Remember I was taken back in for 2 days, 485/AP/EAD applied and my jobless days were with my EAD in hand.
4. One of the reasons, I am against outsourcing companies is that they dump low wage workers. If you guys are aware, every country, including India and US, has anti dumping laws to protect local industries. I am not against offshoring or outsourcing but I am against dumping. Some posters have questioned how I would be affected by all this if I were the among the best and the brightest ? Valid question to a good extent. If you realize that as you age your speed and dexterity at which one adopts newer skills start waning. How long do you think that upgrading skills in a single industry would be possible when you are going to be constantly competing with walmart style options ?
For now I have chosen to enroll myself in an MBA program and I am hoping that my skills wouldn't be diluted. Think about going to school at age 35 with the responsibility of family and kid. This is my last ditch effort in upgrading my skills because it involves a substantial ownpayment. I am not sure about you guys but a 100K investment for school now is huge for me. The big question is, I am able to pull up my last bit of energy to upgrade now but will it be possible 5 years now if these outsourcing companies starting dumping low cost MBAs ? This is what I meant by my quality of life being impacted. If you guys think that you wouldnt go through the same scenario, then you need some serious retrospection.
One last thing I would like to point out the inherent contradiction that the current prospective immigrants are facing today. GC is a process that is there to fill in the lack of skills in the US. However with unemployment running close to 10%, the question arises as to whether to train local populace for these skills. There are just 2 exits out of this contradiction
1. Bring in low cost labor to fulfill this shortage and avoid local training costs
2. Expand on a new idea. Green seems to be the buzzword today.
In my opinion, option 1 is lose lose situation for all including the actual foreign employee who provides the services at a low cost. It is the outsourcing company for sure and probably the hiring company that may benefit. The society as a whole loses. Option 2 is an organic option but is laen with the dangers of delays in take off and boom and bust cycles. This is exactly the reason why I suggested that we cut these outsourcing cs from dumping bodies here. I hope I have clarified my opinions lucidly and hopefully look forward to a mature discussion as opposed to name calling, affronts etc.
The moment you were forced to enroll in MBA in an effort to upgrade your skills and increase your salary means American model and (comparative advantage) economics are working.
The same thing happened in agriculture, then manufacturing, and now IT and other industries. It is inevitable!
By the way, it is not dumping. Here is the real definition of dumping, "the act of a manufacturer in one country exporting a product to another country at a price which is either below the price it charges in its home market or is below its costs of production".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dumping_(pricing_policy)
For your information, I was, am and will most likely continue to be affected by the outsourcing/offshoring/onshoring/immigration/etc.
I am simply stumped at the level of comprehension of the folks right here. Let me summarize my views as points and hopefully I will get through to you guys
1. My mention of BITS was not to prove that I was the best and the brightest. It was to prove that my education was NOT subsidized by the govt of India directly or indirectly. Remember passing out of any university doesnt confer the title of the best and the brightest. Unseenguy - If you have kicked the ass of IITians, bitsians etc then consider yourselves genuine. Why this unnecessary trip down "Not confident about myself lane" ?
2. My mention of MSFT was again not to prove that I am part of the best and rightest. It was to prove that I came here not with the value proposition of low costs but with the value proposition of hardwork and some talent. I did not compromise on my pay or did replace any native employee. Oh BTW I left MSFT in 2000
3. My mention of the 3 layoffs and my journey was to inform you guys that whatever is happening now is similar to whatever happened in 2001. I wanted to calm down the nerves of the genuine people. Without reading and comprehending the posts, I get responses like that I was an illegal. Remember I was taken back in for 2 days, 485/AP/EAD applied and my jobless days were with my EAD in hand.
4. One of the reasons, I am against outsourcing companies is that they dump low wage workers. If you guys are aware, every country, including India and US, has anti dumping laws to protect local industries. I am not against offshoring or outsourcing but I am against dumping. Some posters have questioned how I would be affected by all this if I were the among the best and the brightest ? Valid question to a good extent. If you realize that as you age your speed and dexterity at which one adopts newer skills start waning. How long do you think that upgrading skills in a single industry would be possible when you are going to be constantly competing with walmart style options ?
For now I have chosen to enroll myself in an MBA program and I am hoping that my skills wouldn't be diluted. Think about going to school at age 35 with the responsibility of family and kid. This is my last ditch effort in upgrading my skills because it involves a substantial ownpayment. I am not sure about you guys but a 100K investment for school now is huge for me. The big question is, I am able to pull up my last bit of energy to upgrade now but will it be possible 5 years now if these outsourcing companies starting dumping low cost MBAs ? This is what I meant by my quality of life being impacted. If you guys think that you wouldnt go through the same scenario, then you need some serious retrospection.
One last thing I would like to point out the inherent contradiction that the current prospective immigrants are facing today. GC is a process that is there to fill in the lack of skills in the US. However with unemployment running close to 10%, the question arises as to whether to train local populace for these skills. There are just 2 exits out of this contradiction
1. Bring in low cost labor to fulfill this shortage and avoid local training costs
2. Expand on a new idea. Green seems to be the buzzword today.
In my opinion, option 1 is lose lose situation for all including the actual foreign employee who provides the services at a low cost. It is the outsourcing company for sure and probably the hiring company that may benefit. The society as a whole loses. Option 2 is an organic option but is laen with the dangers of delays in take off and boom and bust cycles. This is exactly the reason why I suggested that we cut these outsourcing cs from dumping bodies here. I hope I have clarified my opinions lucidly and hopefully look forward to a mature discussion as opposed to name calling, affronts etc.
alterego
12-14 04:40 PM
I know what I am about to say will trigger a lot of reaction and some resentment, but it has to be said on behalf of those who are not Indian. I think the per country limit is to ensure that people of all nationalities and races have an equal opportunity to obtain a green card and to ensure that no one nationality, group, or even sector (i.e. IT) monopolizes the so few visas that are available. In fact, in the visa lottery, countries become excluded when the number of immigrants from them reach a certain point, so we are lucky they do not do that in the Employment-based system!
I think that by wanting to remove the per country limit so more Indians can avail of the green card quota is both asking for "special treatment" and a slap in the face for all the non-Indian IV members. The more I read the threads on this site, the more I feel that this organization is geared just to one ethnic group. I am sure that Indians probably make up the majority of members, but the founders of IV (I hope) did not want this organization to become one-sided! Please be considerate of ALL members and try to come up with suggestions that would benefit ALL members!!!:mad:
Mostly agree with you about not wanting to alienate non Indian IV members. However you need to understand that any change won, however small or large will have some winners and some losers in it. Earlier this year, when IV was pushing for 485 filing without visa numbers, it was not very comfortable for those who had already filed 485. In fact, some even cancelled their membership over that.
Some of us, who filed 485s years ago couldn't have felt good about that. In the end, the flower power campaign was done and worked, allowing 320K filers to join the 485 queue and those of us who we were floating merrily along, felt like we got hit with a tsunami.
Yet we, each and everyone of us has to learn to look at the bigger picture and not look for our individual goals to come first. When we look at the stated objectives of the organisation, everyone of us has something positive to gain from it and should contribute in our own way, just find something to add your little weight to the effort. That is the kind of spirit we need. The collective force of everyone(guided by the core leadership) is what gets things done.
In a way, it is about each individual taking some action to help himself/herself by helping the organisation. Whatever little you have done, think to yourself, if this action is multiplied by 25K what would be the outcome. Then you get a sense for our collective power.
If you gave $100, then 25K*100= $2.5 million. Now thats a warchest!
On the other hand, if all you have ever done is to come to this board and whine, then I sincerely doubt 25K people whining in private ever got a thing done. Now if 25K people were to whine to their congressman...................
If each of those 320K 485 filers in July/Aug were to add just 10 Bucks to IV, imagine the impact. One can only wish. Of course a greater burden falls on the shoulders of an enlightened few, but hopefully as more poeple find ways to contribute, things become stronger. I'm impressed by the success of the 30K funding drive.
I think that by wanting to remove the per country limit so more Indians can avail of the green card quota is both asking for "special treatment" and a slap in the face for all the non-Indian IV members. The more I read the threads on this site, the more I feel that this organization is geared just to one ethnic group. I am sure that Indians probably make up the majority of members, but the founders of IV (I hope) did not want this organization to become one-sided! Please be considerate of ALL members and try to come up with suggestions that would benefit ALL members!!!:mad:
Mostly agree with you about not wanting to alienate non Indian IV members. However you need to understand that any change won, however small or large will have some winners and some losers in it. Earlier this year, when IV was pushing for 485 filing without visa numbers, it was not very comfortable for those who had already filed 485. In fact, some even cancelled their membership over that.
Some of us, who filed 485s years ago couldn't have felt good about that. In the end, the flower power campaign was done and worked, allowing 320K filers to join the 485 queue and those of us who we were floating merrily along, felt like we got hit with a tsunami.
Yet we, each and everyone of us has to learn to look at the bigger picture and not look for our individual goals to come first. When we look at the stated objectives of the organisation, everyone of us has something positive to gain from it and should contribute in our own way, just find something to add your little weight to the effort. That is the kind of spirit we need. The collective force of everyone(guided by the core leadership) is what gets things done.
In a way, it is about each individual taking some action to help himself/herself by helping the organisation. Whatever little you have done, think to yourself, if this action is multiplied by 25K what would be the outcome. Then you get a sense for our collective power.
If you gave $100, then 25K*100= $2.5 million. Now thats a warchest!
On the other hand, if all you have ever done is to come to this board and whine, then I sincerely doubt 25K people whining in private ever got a thing done. Now if 25K people were to whine to their congressman...................
If each of those 320K 485 filers in July/Aug were to add just 10 Bucks to IV, imagine the impact. One can only wish. Of course a greater burden falls on the shoulders of an enlightened few, but hopefully as more poeple find ways to contribute, things become stronger. I'm impressed by the success of the 30K funding drive.
sledge_hammer
01-14 02:52 PM
I would argue that Indian consulting biggies saw that they could offer resources to clients at much cheaper rates than offered by American consulting companies. That drove down billing rates for everyone. Also one cannot deny the fact that persons who faked their resumes have contributed to the decline of the quality of talent pool. Don't get me wrong, bad apples existed and thrived in both big and small companies. But the occurences of such misdeed is/was more rampant in body shops. Some examples are the hiring of fresh grads & H4 & other unskilled workers and passing them off as "high skilled resource".
On the other hand if American consulting companies bill high rates to clients, they are at leat still paying decent wages to their employees. So wages stay at moderate levels. But what This whole tiered employement brought into play was that the actual employee was not getting paid too much but the client would still pay quite a bit, maybe not as much as what an American consulting company would bill. The wages of IT professionals went down.
Though this memo is reiterating the same rule again, they want to send a message that body shops are hurting the overall balance of the arrangement they had prior to when desi comapnies setup shops, and that they are keen on eliminating this source of imbalance.
Aren't billing rates the reason why the Indian IT biggies decided to establish business consulting practices? They are offering to bring the same employee that a PWC or Accenture brings in, but at a lower rate to the client.
The quality difference is also not huge (one lisps better in English and another doesn't); there's junk everywhere and these big IT companies also hire people at minimum H-1B wage to improve margins. Lot of times you get what you pay for.
On the other hand if American consulting companies bill high rates to clients, they are at leat still paying decent wages to their employees. So wages stay at moderate levels. But what This whole tiered employement brought into play was that the actual employee was not getting paid too much but the client would still pay quite a bit, maybe not as much as what an American consulting company would bill. The wages of IT professionals went down.
Though this memo is reiterating the same rule again, they want to send a message that body shops are hurting the overall balance of the arrangement they had prior to when desi comapnies setup shops, and that they are keen on eliminating this source of imbalance.
Aren't billing rates the reason why the Indian IT biggies decided to establish business consulting practices? They are offering to bring the same employee that a PWC or Accenture brings in, but at a lower rate to the client.
The quality difference is also not huge (one lisps better in English and another doesn't); there's junk everywhere and these big IT companies also hire people at minimum H-1B wage to improve margins. Lot of times you get what you pay for.
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