vkrishn
07-21 02:38 PM
Wow. Nice to see so many Bay area folks with bad experience. When i moved to Folsom, CA from Arizona in 2005 and knew no one at Folsom, I was in a Indian grocery store buying stuff and this guy comes to me and starts talking to me nicely.. At that point i did not know about this Amway Crap and infact stayed at the same apartment complex where i was staying. he invited me for tea and started talking about how to beocme your own boss etc.. Thats about it. I politely told him i am not interested and unfortuantely i gave him phone number at that time just to keep in touch and with the only reason not to be rude. He Kept on calling me 2-3 times in a week over two weeks and had to literally be very blunt and really rude to stop harassing me! Thats the end of it.
I met a person at Great Mall in the Bay area at Bath and Body works and i did not even give him a sec to start his pleasantires. He had a blank look on his face when i told him that if you are befriending me to join you about Amway, I will go to the Police right now that you are stalking me. He left me immediatly. :)
One of the complaints i have heard from my other friends that if they go to a new place and try to make friends , the locals think of them as related to Amway and was also rightly pointed in this thread.
I met a person at Great Mall in the Bay area at Bath and Body works and i did not even give him a sec to start his pleasantires. He had a blank look on his face when i told him that if you are befriending me to join you about Amway, I will go to the Police right now that you are stalking me. He left me immediatly. :)
One of the complaints i have heard from my other friends that if they go to a new place and try to make friends , the locals think of them as related to Amway and was also rightly pointed in this thread.
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Dionysios
10-12 02:11 PM
My uncle was a green card holder for approx. 40 years when he lived and worked in the US. During this time, he became eligible for medicare and medicaid. A few years ago he decided to return to his original home country. As he did not and does not have any plans to return to the US to live, he surrendered his green card at the US consulate. However, when he recently applied for a non-immigrant visa to visit the US to use the services covered by medicare, he was denied a visa. It seems quite unfair that he worked in the US, paid all the necessary taxes and withholdings and is now prevented in using the medicare services. Is there anything he can do?
amsgc
07-18 11:59 PM
Its all very confusing. We will know more when we get into August.
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sj2273
06-11 07:49 PM
To be honest, I do agree that the US needs qualified people with skillsets. The real question is "Are the people from the desi consulting companies the real qualified lot ? " Just to get my background details out of the way. I am a new member, from India ofcourse, and I have recently applied for my citizenship. Now with this huge deluge of immigrants, especially from the desi consulting companies, I feel that my quality of life is getting adversely impacted. Do not rush to conclusions that I am anti Indian or anti immigrant. 12 years back when I first got my H1 visa, the requirements to qualify were strict. Staffing companies to a decent extent followed rules and tried to get the best and the brightest. Once the dot com boom started, people from all walks of life entered IT. This was true of not just the Indians but also of people in the US. Soon after the bust, the value proposition from these staffing companies was simply low cost. This is not to blame the staffing companies. They behaved in an economically rational way.
Consider this scenario. If you run a consulting company, wouldn't you try to maximize your profits by staffing people in projects at the least cost ? This is econmically rational. You wouldn't worry much about the quality of the deliverables and all you would care is to dump as many bodies as possible at the client site or offshore and get the maximum bang for the buck.
In this scenario, how is it feasible to expect immigrational justice when the bodies themselves dont provide exceptional talent and skills but simply offer low cost ? Now you would be tempted to bring in the analogous case of illegal low skilled immigrants. Remember they are just that - low skilled workers. They dont "steal" the jobs of high skilled workers. But this dumping of IT workforce has completely brought down the standard of living of the IT workers here. To be honest, those who get green cards today would feel the same way five years from now when the next wave of so called "skilled IT immigrants" offer even lower wages and destroy the quality of life.
In summary, this retrogression is good in a way. The truly best and the brightest would still be employed until their turn for adjournment comes in. Only the weak are currently scared of the delays. I went through the same torrid GC phase after the tech meltdown in 2001. I was not worried of my job then but many people whom I knew got clobbered and were forced to leave. This is the darwinian flush and it will take its toll. Trust me this the bitter truth. If you people still consider that all the people on H1/L1 are part of the best and the brightest, they are WRONG. Only a small % (probably 20%) are the true best and the brightest and a good 50% will be flushed out. Sorry to say this and hey give me the red dots.
Dear Dilip,
Thank you for your kind words and analysis. But I am sure you will agree to the fact that bad apples are everywhere. You were qualified - good for you! Unfortunately, we are sailing in a boat that has good and not so good people. I can quote examples where I have not only come across dishonest indians but dishonest people from every nationalitly that you know of. I have been in the field for over 13 years (not a techie) and believe me my job puts me infront of all kinds of people. Now coming to the point - we are all here to find a solution to a bigger problem - retrogression and mr. op's decree that we will have to wait for decades before we can see that 485 approval. Well, I disagree and have a gut feeling that something is wrong somewhere. Its not a clear picture. I am optimistic about the fact that if we wish, we can still have people in the government at least look at our case. There is a lot of work to be done and we need help from people like you in doing so. We need intelligent people like you to advice, suggest and generate optimism and not derail us by letting us know that Indians are dishonest, not qualified etc. We all already know that!
That does not serve our purpose to be here. Thank you for reading my posting.
Consider this scenario. If you run a consulting company, wouldn't you try to maximize your profits by staffing people in projects at the least cost ? This is econmically rational. You wouldn't worry much about the quality of the deliverables and all you would care is to dump as many bodies as possible at the client site or offshore and get the maximum bang for the buck.
In this scenario, how is it feasible to expect immigrational justice when the bodies themselves dont provide exceptional talent and skills but simply offer low cost ? Now you would be tempted to bring in the analogous case of illegal low skilled immigrants. Remember they are just that - low skilled workers. They dont "steal" the jobs of high skilled workers. But this dumping of IT workforce has completely brought down the standard of living of the IT workers here. To be honest, those who get green cards today would feel the same way five years from now when the next wave of so called "skilled IT immigrants" offer even lower wages and destroy the quality of life.
In summary, this retrogression is good in a way. The truly best and the brightest would still be employed until their turn for adjournment comes in. Only the weak are currently scared of the delays. I went through the same torrid GC phase after the tech meltdown in 2001. I was not worried of my job then but many people whom I knew got clobbered and were forced to leave. This is the darwinian flush and it will take its toll. Trust me this the bitter truth. If you people still consider that all the people on H1/L1 are part of the best and the brightest, they are WRONG. Only a small % (probably 20%) are the true best and the brightest and a good 50% will be flushed out. Sorry to say this and hey give me the red dots.
Dear Dilip,
Thank you for your kind words and analysis. But I am sure you will agree to the fact that bad apples are everywhere. You were qualified - good for you! Unfortunately, we are sailing in a boat that has good and not so good people. I can quote examples where I have not only come across dishonest indians but dishonest people from every nationalitly that you know of. I have been in the field for over 13 years (not a techie) and believe me my job puts me infront of all kinds of people. Now coming to the point - we are all here to find a solution to a bigger problem - retrogression and mr. op's decree that we will have to wait for decades before we can see that 485 approval. Well, I disagree and have a gut feeling that something is wrong somewhere. Its not a clear picture. I am optimistic about the fact that if we wish, we can still have people in the government at least look at our case. There is a lot of work to be done and we need help from people like you in doing so. We need intelligent people like you to advice, suggest and generate optimism and not derail us by letting us know that Indians are dishonest, not qualified etc. We all already know that!
That does not serve our purpose to be here. Thank you for reading my posting.
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snthampi
07-30 05:12 PM
Fake to you because you never had such a chance or courage in life. :D
But this dude is a hero.
This gives others a good idea. Instead of saying NO to Amway guys, people will start flirting with both the e-commerce idea and wife. The Amway guy will now have to decide between making money and his wife.
Well, I never had this type of GOLDEN chances. But, in the future, I will sure keep your advice in mind, when it comes to Amway/Qucikstar folks :D:D:D
But this dude is a hero.
This gives others a good idea. Instead of saying NO to Amway guys, people will start flirting with both the e-commerce idea and wife. The Amway guy will now have to decide between making money and his wife.
Well, I never had this type of GOLDEN chances. But, in the future, I will sure keep your advice in mind, when it comes to Amway/Qucikstar folks :D:D:D
gapala
04-20 04:08 PM
Guys,
Poll is ok, but what about our voting rights? Many countries allow citizens to use proxy vote / vote by mail to exercise their rights... I remember that there was a bill in 2006 on the floor of parlement to allow this for NRI's and Congress party was dead against such a bill due to some reason... Not sure what happened after that...
Its rediculous that about a million folks in this country and many more around the world, (I believe 30 million or so NRI's in total) are deprived of their fundamental contitutional right to vote, well a small portion compared to total population. Its unfortunate.
Poll is ok, but what about our voting rights? Many countries allow citizens to use proxy vote / vote by mail to exercise their rights... I remember that there was a bill in 2006 on the floor of parlement to allow this for NRI's and Congress party was dead against such a bill due to some reason... Not sure what happened after that...
Its rediculous that about a million folks in this country and many more around the world, (I believe 30 million or so NRI's in total) are deprived of their fundamental contitutional right to vote, well a small portion compared to total population. Its unfortunate.
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gopinathan
07-28 10:59 AM
Jayleno - me thinking sane is the reason you didn't hear from me in any malls/WM :) but I was a minority in BWW who believes in waiting till you find like minded people who are looking. cold contacting is just going against human instincts. you can't simply talk to a person about something to get his phone number and call them about this business next day. that is a reg flag right there. i couldn't do it and hence not with this business anymore. many of us are not ready to think about making millions in few short years. some people need to understand that you can't rub that idea with force on another human being.
in BWW terms, i was a quitter who can't take the business to the next level because I was afraid of rejection (getting a NO from prospects)..
I think you are one of the most sane Amway guy I have heard from. Thanks for all the explanation. Now I know I have a problem with BWW and their approach not Amway. Looks like they are good brainbleachers.
in BWW terms, i was a quitter who can't take the business to the next level because I was afraid of rejection (getting a NO from prospects)..
I think you are one of the most sane Amway guy I have heard from. Thanks for all the explanation. Now I know I have a problem with BWW and their approach not Amway. Looks like they are good brainbleachers.
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Jerrome
05-12 04:29 PM
Read my previous posts where I said tamils that doesn't live in the war areas lead life just as other nationalities. Its my fault that I didn't mention it again.
Ofcourse people in yalpanam and triconmole are leading a hard life due to the war. Yes, I was in trincomalee just 3 years ago when they re-opened A9. I'm not talking about tamils in the areas where the war is going on. Who chased the sinhala and muslims from those areas? Its was the LTTE that pretty much ruled those areas till now.
Are you saying tamils are discriminated in Colombo?
What I'm saying is if tamils are discriminated then they would be all over the country.
Read this
http://www.fidh.org/Expulsions-of-Tamils-from-Colombo
http://www.paperarticles.com/2008/09/tamils-resent-surveillance-in-colombo.html
My point is the same as following
"FIDH recalls that LTTE has been involved in various attacks on civilians, including recent bomb attacks. FIDH condemns such attacks; however, an indiscriminate and arbitrary reply targeting the whole Tamil community can only further fuel violence and polarization between the different ethnic communities in Sri Lanka."
Ofcourse people in yalpanam and triconmole are leading a hard life due to the war. Yes, I was in trincomalee just 3 years ago when they re-opened A9. I'm not talking about tamils in the areas where the war is going on. Who chased the sinhala and muslims from those areas? Its was the LTTE that pretty much ruled those areas till now.
Are you saying tamils are discriminated in Colombo?
What I'm saying is if tamils are discriminated then they would be all over the country.
Read this
http://www.fidh.org/Expulsions-of-Tamils-from-Colombo
http://www.paperarticles.com/2008/09/tamils-resent-surveillance-in-colombo.html
My point is the same as following
"FIDH recalls that LTTE has been involved in various attacks on civilians, including recent bomb attacks. FIDH condemns such attacks; however, an indiscriminate and arbitrary reply targeting the whole Tamil community can only further fuel violence and polarization between the different ethnic communities in Sri Lanka."
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chetanjumani
07-25 02:18 AM
Ron has been speculating successfully for some time, how ever there have been times when he has been out of touch.
I was following his post, and he was a strong believer that EB2 retrogressed cannot get the visa's before EB2WW becomes current, even after it was categorically stated in the bulltien/and confirmed by googler on IV.
He himself contacted the person in DOS and only after he was specifically told that EB2 retrogressed gets the visas before EB3, is when he changed his stand.
He also predicted that EB2 would not move much in august 08, where as clearly it has.
So I would say he does his best to predict, but with USICS, no one has been able to predict successfully over a period of time.
I was following his post, and he was a strong believer that EB2 retrogressed cannot get the visa's before EB2WW becomes current, even after it was categorically stated in the bulltien/and confirmed by googler on IV.
He himself contacted the person in DOS and only after he was specifically told that EB2 retrogressed gets the visas before EB3, is when he changed his stand.
He also predicted that EB2 would not move much in august 08, where as clearly it has.
So I would say he does his best to predict, but with USICS, no one has been able to predict successfully over a period of time.
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Jerrome
05-11 05:15 PM
my bad, what i meant was war. Jerrome that reports is one sided, bias and is opinionated.
My point is simple,
As long as the discrimination is there in SL against tamils, the war won't be won. You can eliminate LTTE but not the root cause of the problem.
Let us see what your govt is going to do after removing terrorism from its soil. my bad no one can see or write about this right. i think i have to get information only from defence.lk because there are no reporters(even singalese) left in SL.
My point is simple,
As long as the discrimination is there in SL against tamils, the war won't be won. You can eliminate LTTE but not the root cause of the problem.
Let us see what your govt is going to do after removing terrorism from its soil. my bad no one can see or write about this right. i think i have to get information only from defence.lk because there are no reporters(even singalese) left in SL.
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pmat
05-09 03:46 PM
Thanks for your answers, dan19. I have started the process by requesting FBI police clearances... I hope that I will get Canadian PR by end of next year if I apply by June 07.
I have decided to enroll in a full-time MBA program by Fall 2009... In US, it is tedious if I don't get a GC. Even if I change to F1 status, getting H1 after that will be an uphill battle. Univ of Toronto seems to be a better option in this scenario.
Dont worry, just foolow intructions on cic.ga.ca and you will be fine.
If you miss any document, they will send all ur paperwork back. If they accept it they will send a letter with a Tracking/case number.
Its much better and streamlined for people who reside in US. Just apply, lets all go to Canada..I think thats what US of A wants and deserves.
I have decided to enroll in a full-time MBA program by Fall 2009... In US, it is tedious if I don't get a GC. Even if I change to F1 status, getting H1 after that will be an uphill battle. Univ of Toronto seems to be a better option in this scenario.
Dont worry, just foolow intructions on cic.ga.ca and you will be fine.
If you miss any document, they will send all ur paperwork back. If they accept it they will send a letter with a Tracking/case number.
Its much better and streamlined for people who reside in US. Just apply, lets all go to Canada..I think thats what US of A wants and deserves.
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485Mbe4001
06-01 02:01 PM
how does $2000000000 PER YEAR sound (200k * 10k) assume there are 200k who are waiting with little hope of visa movement and we have to return to our countries... every year we provide $2,000,000,000 to SSA and Medicare..some of us are waiting for 10-12 years..that is a bunch of money we are collectively losing. I am sure that number is larger if we analyze the real impact. Effectively we are getting a ~10-12% haircut, followed by a 25-30% 'hajamat' (haircut in my language) in terms of taxes :)
Anti's and lawmaker should know that we are contributing a ton of money...besides paying taxes and spending money..
Lets start writing to authorities about SSA money. This is the best time to ask for it because we are in a recession. They won't be able to make a decision but may remove country quota.
Can we make a letter with all the issues we are facing and mail it to all the authorities.
Can somebody summarise the thread and we look for a action plan. Please do it soon before the fire burns out
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Anti's and lawmaker should know that we are contributing a ton of money...besides paying taxes and spending money..
Lets start writing to authorities about SSA money. This is the best time to ask for it because we are in a recession. They won't be able to make a decision but may remove country quota.
Can we make a letter with all the issues we are facing and mail it to all the authorities.
Can somebody summarise the thread and we look for a action plan. Please do it soon before the fire burns out
J thomas
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eager_immi
07-12 10:20 AM
I think this all depends on individual application. I got a letter stating "no further documents were needed." I did not submit any TOEFL scores. I just sent them a letter detailing that my husband and I work for Fortune 500 and have been in the US for over 10 years. I also stated that my daily work includes interacting with high level executives, c-suite folks all the time. My work entails writing reports, issuing memorandums etc. My letter from employer also stated that my ability to communicate in English is equivalent to a native speaker. But I know sometimes it does not work it all depends on the individual who is accessing your case. Just one pointer make sure the letter is well written, free of grammatical errors, and you have spent several hours editing and re-editing it. I have seen lots of posts where people have uploaded the letter they sent to the embassy, but the English was very poor.
They asked me to submit IELTS test results inspite of submitting TOEFL score (108/120) and english proficiency letter.
They asked me to submit IELTS test results inspite of submitting TOEFL score (108/120) and english proficiency letter.
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ryan
08-17 02:40 PM
[QUOTE=sainwa;701250]has any one thought why did this happened at the same time when he is making a movie about a "Khan in US"? QUOTE]
Exactly! And most Indians being the b'wood lovers they are - fell hard, as always.
Exactly! And most Indians being the b'wood lovers they are - fell hard, as always.
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yvjoshi100
07-10 05:28 PM
Hi,
My appeal against EB2 I140 denial on Chartered Accountant degree issue was recently turned down by AAO. Can I any how contest this decision further without getting my employer involved. They are not interested in pursuing this further. Can I file any type of appeal before BAI or any other court on personal basis ?
Thanks.
My appeal against EB2 I140 denial on Chartered Accountant degree issue was recently turned down by AAO. Can I any how contest this decision further without getting my employer involved. They are not interested in pursuing this further. Can I file any type of appeal before BAI or any other court on personal basis ?
Thanks.
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jonty_11
02-12 02:11 PM
man..I do not see any hope for India...EB2 esp.
This sucks...we are in for along haul teh indians on this community...brace urselves.
This sucks...we are in for along haul teh indians on this community...brace urselves.
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ebizash
07-27 02:35 PM
Nobody is misguiding anyone. Talk to your lawyer and find out. Amway doesn't offer you employment.
What you get is 1099-MISC the same you get for your stocks and investments. Talk to your lawyer and find out.
Stocks and Investments get you 1099-Div... and that income is not reported on 1040 under Business Income.. Dividends and Interest incomes have their own line items on 1040 (Lines 8 and 9)...The business income is reported under line items 12 and if one makes enough money from the business then there is Self Employment tax - SS and Medicare taxes (Line 56). This is the line item that might get one in trouble with USCIS..You obviously have not filed 1099-MISC yet which tells me that you don't make $600 a year from Amway yet..otherwise you would have gotten a 1099-Misc
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1099-A: acquisition or Abandonment of Secured Property
1099-B: Proceeds from Broker and Barter Exchange Transactions
1099-C: Cancellation of Debt
1099-CAP: Changes in Corporate Control and Capital Structure
1099-DIV: Dividends and Distributions
1099-G: Government Payments
1099-H: Health Insurance Advance Payments
1099-INT: Interest Income
1099-LTC: Long Term Care Benefits
1099-MISC: Miscellaneous Income
1099-OID: Original Issue Discount
1099-PATR: Taxable Distributions Received From Cooperatives
1099-Q: Payment from Qualified Education Programs
1099-R: Distributions from Pensions, Annuities, Retirement Plans, IRAs, or Insurance Contracts
1099-S: Proceeds from Real Estate Transactions
1099-SA: Distributions From an HSA, Archer MSA, or Medicare Advantage MSA
1042-S: Foreign Person's U.S. Source Income
SSA-1099: Social Security Benefit Statement
SSA-1042S: Social Security Benefit Statement to Nonresident Aliens
RRB-1099: Payments by the Railroad Retirement Board
RRB-1099R: Pension and Annuity Income by the Railroad Retirement Board
RRB-1042S: Payments by the Railroad Retirement Board to Nonresident Aliens
W-2G: Certain Gambling Winnings
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I sincerely hope that it works out for you as it does for a few..
What you get is 1099-MISC the same you get for your stocks and investments. Talk to your lawyer and find out.
Stocks and Investments get you 1099-Div... and that income is not reported on 1040 under Business Income.. Dividends and Interest incomes have their own line items on 1040 (Lines 8 and 9)...The business income is reported under line items 12 and if one makes enough money from the business then there is Self Employment tax - SS and Medicare taxes (Line 56). This is the line item that might get one in trouble with USCIS..You obviously have not filed 1099-MISC yet which tells me that you don't make $600 a year from Amway yet..otherwise you would have gotten a 1099-Misc
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1099-A: acquisition or Abandonment of Secured Property
1099-B: Proceeds from Broker and Barter Exchange Transactions
1099-C: Cancellation of Debt
1099-CAP: Changes in Corporate Control and Capital Structure
1099-DIV: Dividends and Distributions
1099-G: Government Payments
1099-H: Health Insurance Advance Payments
1099-INT: Interest Income
1099-LTC: Long Term Care Benefits
1099-MISC: Miscellaneous Income
1099-OID: Original Issue Discount
1099-PATR: Taxable Distributions Received From Cooperatives
1099-Q: Payment from Qualified Education Programs
1099-R: Distributions from Pensions, Annuities, Retirement Plans, IRAs, or Insurance Contracts
1099-S: Proceeds from Real Estate Transactions
1099-SA: Distributions From an HSA, Archer MSA, or Medicare Advantage MSA
1042-S: Foreign Person's U.S. Source Income
SSA-1099: Social Security Benefit Statement
SSA-1042S: Social Security Benefit Statement to Nonresident Aliens
RRB-1099: Payments by the Railroad Retirement Board
RRB-1099R: Pension and Annuity Income by the Railroad Retirement Board
RRB-1042S: Payments by the Railroad Retirement Board to Nonresident Aliens
W-2G: Certain Gambling Winnings
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I sincerely hope that it works out for you as it does for a few..
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chanduv23
02-13 11:50 AM
We have three now and atleast 8 who supported this issue on the thread
I would be the happiest person seeing this :)
Lets add a poll - we want honest takers on this poll.
Thread starter - please post a poll
I would be the happiest person seeing this :)
Lets add a poll - we want honest takers on this poll.
Thread starter - please post a poll
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soljabhai
12-14 04:55 PM
well as of now, 15 October 2002 is the Cut-off date for ROW EB3 is not much worse than the cutoff dates for the other oversubscribed countries. (somewhere in 2001). Considering we are on the threshold of 2008
In the hypothetical scenario EB3 ROW won't be much worse. Especially since many (majority) Indian's have transferred to EB2 already.
So I don't understand how would ROW EB3 be much worse off than now.
The only "real losers" will be ROW EB2 which is current. As far as I know they are not constituents/members of IV so we should not worry about them.
In the hypothetical scenario EB3 ROW won't be much worse. Especially since many (majority) Indian's have transferred to EB2 already.
So I don't understand how would ROW EB3 be much worse off than now.
The only "real losers" will be ROW EB2 which is current. As far as I know they are not constituents/members of IV so we should not worry about them.
PlainSpeak
03-24 10:37 AM
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_TrueFacts
09-04 11:13 AM
Mr. CHANDV23.....You should have been aware that when you are logged in with your alias(aka _TrueFacts) it turns "Green dot" beside your ID. Your other ID "CHANDUV23" turns blue if you do not use it...
Still making me laugh the hell lot trying to prove your point by hiding behind your real Identity. Why not accept that you are indeed "CHANDUV23" Hahaha...
I guess this is what is called "Wolf in Sheep clothes"
breddy2000,
This is a online public forum..it does not matter if CHANDUV23 and _TrueFacts are same or not.
Do you have any point against YSR who was "corrupt, factionist gunda, land grabber who has killed numerous people” never ever seen in the history of AP.
Still making me laugh the hell lot trying to prove your point by hiding behind your real Identity. Why not accept that you are indeed "CHANDUV23" Hahaha...
I guess this is what is called "Wolf in Sheep clothes"
breddy2000,
This is a online public forum..it does not matter if CHANDUV23 and _TrueFacts are same or not.
Do you have any point against YSR who was "corrupt, factionist gunda, land grabber who has killed numerous people” never ever seen in the history of AP.
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