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  • tempgc
    09-14 03:15 PM
    PERM applicants in 2005 (7276 of this 40% are Indian and 60% from EB2 ) -> 1750 LCA
    1100 LCA => 3850 GC
    .
    I got the below numbers from the PERM FDLC site for the applications filed in 2005 and approved in different years of 2005,6,7,8
    2005 India 1353 (filed in 2005 and approved in 2005)
    2006 India 3888 (filed in 2005 and approved in 2006)
    2007 India 60 (filed in 2005 and approved in 2007)
    2008 India 10 (filed in 2005 and approved in 2008)

    Total 5311
    5311 for both EB1-5 : So taking 50% for EB2I - 2655
    GC : 2655*2.5 = 6637 ~ 6500 (considering lucky 2008 Aug-Sep approvals, 2009 Sept)





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  • kshitijnt
    07-17 12:39 PM
    Is it accurate to say that new way of allocating spill over visas effectively acheive same effect as eliminiating country limits?

    For short term yes. Long term No.

    If there is a surge of ROW applicants. India & China applicants are at severe disadvantage.





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  • gc28262
    06-16 03:15 PM
    I guess we should ban people like dilipcr and senthil1 who are here to achieve their selfish ends.

    Though we have the capacity to tolerate such self seeking anti-immigrants, it diverts the energy and focus of IV members from the reason for which IV was founded.

    dilipcr and senthil1,

    We don't appreciate your presence here as your agendas don't fit ours. Please stay away from IV.





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  • gomirage
    06-11 07:24 PM
    Congrats, you have arrived. Now, somebody, close the door please !!!

    To be honest, I do agree that the US needs qualified people with skillsets. The real question is "Are the people from the desi consulting companies the real qualified lot ? " Just to get my background details out of the way. I am a new member, from India ofcourse, and I have recently applied for my citizenship. Now with this huge deluge of immigrants, especially from the desi consulting companies, I feel that my quality of life is getting adversely impacted. Do not rush to conclusions that I am anti Indian or anti immigrant. 12 years back when I first got my H1 visa, the requirements to qualify were strict. Staffing companies to a decent extent followed rules and tried to get the best and the brightest. Once the dot com boom started, people from all walks of life entered IT. This was true of not just the Indians but also of people in the US. Soon after the bust, the value proposition from these staffing companies was simply low cost. This is not to blame the staffing companies. They behaved in an economically rational way.

    Consider this scenario. If you run a consulting company, wouldn't you try to maximize your profits by staffing people in projects at the least cost ? This is econmically rational. You wouldn't worry much about the quality of the deliverables and all you would care is to dump as many bodies as possible at the client site or offshore and get the maximum bang for the buck.

    In this scenario, how is it feasible to expect immigrational justice when the bodies themselves dont provide exceptional talent and skills but simply offer low cost ? Now you would be tempted to bring in the analogous case of illegal low skilled immigrants. Remember they are just that - low skilled workers. They dont "steal" the jobs of high skilled workers. But this dumping of IT workforce has completely brought down the standard of living of the IT workers here. To be honest, those who get green cards today would feel the same way five years from now when the next wave of so called "skilled IT immigrants" offer even lower wages and destroy the quality of life.

    In summary, this retrogression is good in a way. The truly best and the brightest would still be employed until their turn for adjournment comes in. Only the weak are currently scared of the delays. I went through the same torrid GC phase after the tech meltdown in 2001. I was not worried of my job then but many people whom I knew got clobbered and were forced to leave. This is the darwinian flush and it will take its toll. Trust me this the bitter truth. If you people still consider that all the people on H1/L1 are part of the best and the brightest, they are WRONG. Only a small % (probably 20%) are the true best and the brightest and a good 50% will be flushed out. Sorry to say this and hey give me the red dots.



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  • gc_dream2009
    01-13 03:35 PM
    If I were on smoke, coffee or dope or anything else, I would be posting messages of the type you are :).

    Its good to see the tone of your messages seems to have changed from shrieking at all EB3 to fight against EB2 to something a little less absurd.

    Good Luck To You.

    Mr Michael chertoff - do you know what happens when you act fresh with a gal.
    You either get a slap or a kiss. I have not made up my mind about either way but you need to keep on your toes

    You know i think i can see you as a friend (And no i donot need your support in becoming an EB3 representative gosh gc_dreams needsa smoke or coffe or something) and as a friend i will say something

    Please do not patronize me by asking me to take a nap.

    Other than that you are one person on this forum who lets just say has my respect





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  • srikondoji
    06-26 02:29 PM
    Closing this thread will not do any good.
    This rumour was in many minds up untill now. Now that we are discussing it openly, we are atleast clear in our minds about this issue.

    We atleast are discussing what USCIS could or coundn't do.
    Even my attorney has said that they cannot guarantee exact filing date per each case, even though mine was the very first application that went to my attorney's office with all documents ready including medical reports, birth certifictes. Such is the work load in my attorney's office.

    good luck to all.



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  • sanju
    02-15 11:34 AM
    I set up a yahoo group to discuss the issue. To subscribe, send an e-mail to
    visa-recapture-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
    Please include your IV alias when you confirm your subscribe request.

    Also, just wanted to clarify that I will not be able to spearhead the issue. I will contribute as I can: financially, doing legal research, reviewing briefs and generating ideas. But I do not have a lot of time to dedicate to this initiative. I also think it should be somebody who is affected by retrogression. People should be willing to change their situation, otherwise I do not see the reason to help them.

    Thanks for an excellent research and arguments. Some of the arguments are well presented.

    Well, if you are not ready to lead and we do not have anyone else to lead then whats the point of forming the yahoo group? Please don't get me wrong, I am just trying to find out the objective of this yahoo group.





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  • Macaca
    01-28 07:35 AM
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    I did not understand the meaning of this add. Please explain. Thanks!



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  • Marphad
    03-27 03:11 PM
    Waiting for reply to learn this.

    Ek Student Gyan ki bhiksha maang raha hai bachcha.

    Still waiting. Can someone volunteer to teach me how to edit poll options after created?





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  • GCHope2011
    01-14 10:10 AM
    PlainSpeak has a new sock puppet account called actaccord who has no choice but to support him/her. how many more accounts did gcperm create who don't donate ot participate?
    Ok here is the fallacy in your argument. Why do i need mutiple accounts to get you guys to realize what u you are doing is wrong when this one account and this one post is all that takes to get everyone to see the real side of the so called senior members and donaters.
    Regarding GC PERM (Rolling my eyes NOT Again) see my previous post and please read it carefully and if you do not get it please read it a couple of time more. i am sure you will get it.

    And yes my friend TinyHK12 you might have just lost the support of the one guy on this forum who while not being abusive about my post also did NOT support me. He was rooting for AmitJoye a senior member here and some one with whose idea you agree 100%. Thats called as shooting yourselves in the foot

    In cases like PlainSpeak we need a background check for free members posting more than 10 messages a day, not only charge them.
    Sure that is a great idea. As i said before (I think i was responding to you post in another thread) a paid subscription for posting messages on this forum is agreat idea and background checks wow that is a new one. How about a criminal background check like they do for jobs in financial sectors. Great idea but please remeber this will have to be a requirement which wil have to be implemented for each and every member of this forum and yes that includes background check on you yourselves my friend TonyHK. And please dont even think about the privacy issues IV will face

    I agree this member has been inciting people to start fighting with him/her and into arguments, and playing a emotional manipulative card by pretending to be a woman.
    Ok first please get this one fact straight that i am a women but just so that all you abusive senior members and donors will breathe a little easy i will become a man for you. Then you guys will not have any constraints and will not hold back and will not feel bad about abusing a women becasue for your convieneice and so that you can abuse guilt free i hav ebecome a man. Now there is just one thing wrong with this logic

    ABUSING ON FORUM IS WRONG WHETHER IT IS AGAINST A MAN OR A WOMEN PERIOD
    Sheesh you guys are shooting yourselves in the foot every time you post on this forum

    plainspeak is just trying to keep negative threads alive and incite more in-fighting.
    If you senior members and donars will step back and think about this for a moment you will realize the truth and the truth is that you guys have accused me of mob mentality but the fact is it is you guys who have a mob mentality.

    How let me explain .........

    If you do no agree to a post all of you gang up and start abusing the posters and any unfortunate souls who agree with the posters. Normally that is enough to scare the poster away. He/she either decides that this is not worth it and takes an out or is coerced by you so called senior members in such a way that their will is broken and they are just plain scared (YES SCARED !!).

    Now coming to my post. There is nothing wrong in what i said. I asked for discussion to an idea. This is just like all the other guys and gals before me to tried the same. The only difference is that i stand by my comment and i do not abuse you guys back because i reply back to every argument of yours (No matter how stupid/illogical/abusive) with valid arguments. Now you guys do not know how to deal with that and the only way to respind is to answer back with strong arm tactics.
    But guys the answer is really simple. Answer back with logical arguments and if you do not have any more logical arguments please rethink about the arguments (Do brainstorming and come up with one argument). Do not spend your valuable time working out HOW TO DISCREDIT PLAINSPEAK AND GET HIM (I am a man for you sake) OUT OF THE FORUM. Instead think about a logical argument to my post and convince me. Hey i am here to be convinced, Not my brow beating Not by strong arm tactis and certainly Not by abuses but by Logic.

    (Logic in india is called Tarq. So bai log bhuddi or Tarq sa bate karo )
    PlainSpeak - instead of spending so much time on responding to everyone's criticism of you, why dont you go ahead and detail out the "how" of "what" you think IV should do.

    Maybe there is a gap in the understanding of all the posters here in terms of "how" all what you have said will pan out.

    Please be specific around who, when, to whom and using what means can the "what" of your proposition be accomplished. And while you are at it, it will also be useful to lay out how and which of the activities you could personally be of help (by devoting time/ money/ energy/ All/ Some Combination).

    For all you know, it might open the eyes of a lot of people here.



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  • nixstor
    09-23 11:42 AM
    I just emailed all of them with my name, address and phone number. Atleast 13 of them bounced. Can some one correct the email addresses in that sheet.

    Thanks for sending.

    send me a PM with addresses that bounced. I will update the list.





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  • PlainSpeak
    01-14 04:12 PM
    plainspeak,

    i know a thing or two about this eb related immigration. i agree people should not suffer for years together to get a perm. res card, and that too, people who may have been in the line ahead of others.

    however, i dont think it is just not being ahead that creates this spill over thing. unused visas first go to eb1, then to eb2 and then to eb3. i think, that is correct. now, my view about this categorization is that, eb1 -- outstanding people, eb2 -- better qualified, eb 3 -- skilled but not qualified in terms of degree or experience, whatever. (pls understand, i am not degrading eb3 people, i have loads of very close friends in eb3 who are extremely intelligent and i can tell you, can easily compete with the eb2 guz, as far as knowledge etc goes).

    but, there is a reason for this division and just for that reason, visas have to go thru eb2 before eb 3. if that is not the case, they wont put people who go for NIW in eb2, it wud have been in eb 3 or a completely separate category.

    u did mention to someone that u dont want to convert to eb2 or something in those lines, but i believe everyone should try to get to eb 2 (get masters, or after getting the experience), there is nothing wrong in doing so. (if u feel that i shud not be giving u advice, then just ignore the above few lines)

    i believe some of things people pointed out like visa recapture, not counting the dependents etc are the kind of things where IV should focus energies. this is good for all immigrants

    bottomline: i believe it is wrong to distribute remaining visa no.s to eb3 category before servicing eb 2, becoz i thought, the categories were specifically created to prioritize.

    and please, bear in mind, i am not saying this coz i am eb2. i thought logically that was correct. and, i do easily qualify for eb 1 as well. just did not care abt a gc. i dont care abt it even now. my thinking: if it happens, good, if not, i dont care, i can always go back home-jai hind.
    Mr Syendu after replying to all abusers my mind has pretty much been fogged up. Contrary to oipinion i am also working while blogging so there is the added pressure.

    So now having read through your post (I appreciate no abuses) i get the jist of what you are saying so forgive me if i do not reply line by line so here is my answer

    EB1/EB2/EB3 rule was never disputed by me. That is law and will never chaange. i dont like it but i will go with what is the law.

    Yes i will NOT convert to EB2 because i have already spent time and energy for the first GC app. (In case any abuser is wondering the gc was paid by company so it is not the lack of funds or lack of companies willing to file for EB2 for me which is stopping me). Sure people are converting and all the best to them, but my point is what about people who cannot convert. Maybe someone has got 2 kids and single earner and he does not have the time or money to do a masters. Maybe some one is so tired working a job which is busting his or her ass off and has no energy to do that. If we think about it there are a whole lot of reasons why a person cannot do a masters. And to that complexities there are very few companies which are willing to sponser EB2 nowadays

    So my plain speak is that just because every member in IV has a masters and is in EB2 or can do masters and convert from EB3 to EB2 does not mean that the majority of people out there can do the same so IV members giving advises like below ar enot only impracticle but also broder on hig handedness. Their contention is that we did it why can you not. If you cannot you must be a low skilled person who has scrapped through into the country and deserves to wait a long time for a visa.

    Please remember that EB2 or EB3 is not a straighjacket and theri are people in both the groups who do not belong there and belong in the other group


    Just for information i do have a masters

    Visa recapture and not counting the dependents will help the immigration community only if it happens. I see nothing on the horizon which says that it will happen. As another iV member pointed out no immigration friendly bill has come for debate in the last 4 years and that is with a democratic majority which is immigration friendly as some IV members like to point out. So with such a situation piece meal efforts must be made but piece meal efforst should be directed to the heavily retorgressed community because teh big bills if and hwne they happen will fololow teh regular rule anyway

    And finally i would like to say you have been most polite and respectfull and i am honoured to discuss thiongs with you

    JAI HIND



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  • unseenguy
    08-16 02:29 PM
    Is this what anti's call us? I think most of us are not just cheap labour. Definitely paid more that the average wage levels.

    No. I am comparing apples to apples. An american with your skills and qualifications would be paid more than you are being paid, at most places.

    If you are comparing with average wages, it doesnt make sense. Are you being paid more than americans with same skills and qualifications, if yes then you are not cheap but I doubt.





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  • vamsi_poondla
    02-14 01:54 PM
    I am willing to contribute $10 to get solid legal advice on this and I am willing to contribute a lot more in a lawsuit IF and ONLY IF there is a strong legal basis for it.

    I appreciate IV for its efforts. Happy V'Day.
    I will contribute for legal advice if some leaders for this initiative steps forward with firm commitment. It may sound silly to put conditions like this. But if such a big movement is here in making all of us excited about the prospect of having a law suit, then it is a responsibility of those who initiated this thread to lead this effort forward.



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  • ita
    03-30 11:02 PM
    Kancha Ilaya(Sonia appointed ) is being allowed by the Indian Government to lobby with the UN and US Congress so that caste discrimination in India is taken-up by these bodies. (Indians on their own have come a long way in reducing these caste discrimination but alas these people won't want that dying)It shouldn't be any surprise if we see bunch of International articles on India's disgusting caste issues soon.

    Rahul Gandhi/Govt of India invites British politician to Amethi on poverty tourism.Putting it in their own words they were trying to show this foreign minister real India (meaning 'sinking India not shining India' or may be they were trying to tell this British guy look we have managed to keep the country at the same state you left it , if anything we took it to another low level).Amethi has been a constituency represented by that family for generations in Priyanka's words. Forget about country they didn't do much good to their own constituency .

    This British guy before he left the country said that Mumbai attacks could have happened because India didn't hand over Kashmir to Pak.He also gave a free although unasked advice ,if such future attacks are not to happen India should reconsider it's stance on Kashmir.

    British media was surprised to see that Rahul Gandhi touted as future PM by the party and Indian media with equal excitement didn't want to comment on foreign affairs.Mumbai issue or anything else.

    Now every country has it's share of problems..be it poverty or something else.Can you imagine U.S politician inviting French/German politician to view America's worst and media giving it huge coverage?Just imagine what would happen then.

    Personally I like both Sonia and Rahul, can't doubt their intension of making India better





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  • furiouspride
    08-02 07:55 PM
    One of the things that I've observed about these 'IBO's is that most often they are underachievers in general. Mostly staying home over the weekends, hardly any communication skills, no good friends (no your IBO partners are not your friends), low confidence and plain arrogance. They are asked not to take NO for an answer. So anything that you say against them annoys the hell outta them. I know I should not be using such derogatory language against any person but I seriously feel this corporation is plaguing our society big time.

    I have a co-worker who downs at least 5-6 cans of their flagship product 'XS Energy Drink' everyday. He hardly moves from his desk all day so why in the world would he need an energy drink for? One day, the rest of the team confronted him and asked him if he even knew what was in the energy drink. He quickly got angry and snapped back "VITAMINS!!!". We were like WTF? Since when did energy drinks started to have vitamins in them? Finally, I showed him the contents of the drink: #1 Taurine, #2 Caffeine. So it's nothing but fukking Red Bull. And we all know 'Red Bull gives you wings!'. Wish it gave you brains too.

    Another co-worker asked him if it'd be OK to give that drink to his 5 yo when he thought that it was alright for him to gulp gallons of it. He snapped again saying "OF COURSE! In fact she drinks small quantities of it everyday." A 5 year old kid drinking Red Bull. Can you beat that? Just coz this idiot wants to earn more points. That is when I got seriously pissed!



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  • fairman
    08-17 01:21 PM
    Most of the Bollywood movies are junk ( vulgar dances etc.) . As more and more people mature in the north, the market for stars like SRK will dwindle. I request everybody to follow classic Bengali/Mallu movies.





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  • ronhira
    01-13 08:53 PM
    This will only increat outsourcing and actually hurt US economy and jobs...too bad that "blinded" politicians do not recognize this.

    they r blinded....... remember..... but they will recognize..... when most of the jobs are outsourced....





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  • brahmam
    09-17 01:27 AM
    Here are the authentic numbers from FLCDataCenter.com (http://flcdatacenter.com/CasePerm.aspx)

    My analysis from those mdb files: (they are tricky because the data is for FY2005 while the priority date calculations we are doing are for the calendar year)

    calendar year 2005 ( received date between 3/19/2005 - 12/31/2005) = 8645
    year 2006 (rcv date between 1/1/2006 - 9/27/2006) = 15008

    after this it gets bad since the data has no receipt date, only certified date. my estimate is around 12000 for those 3 months of 2006.(total number of certified PERMs between 10/2/2006 - 03/31/2007 = 13873)

    total PERM approvals with PD between march 2005 and Dec 2006 ~ 37000

    If EB2 is 50%, we are talking ~19000, with an avg of 2.5 GCs per PERM, we need 47,500 GCs between Mar 05 and Jan 07.

    Good luck every one :(:D:mad:





    manderson
    02-15 12:20 PM
    Type "retrogression" in Google search bar - when the results page shows up, look at the right hand side, there under the Sponsored Links you will see IV advertisement and link.

    Looks pretty cool. GO IV!

    when did you check?





    ujjwal_p
    05-11 09:15 PM
    Thanks for being the self-designated, unpaid spokesperson for "we indians" and keeping track of accountable indians :)

    Nice one. I'll take that dig.



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