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  • conchshell
    07-29 02:50 PM
    Well, I think the scenario is different. It is somewhere inbetween those two thought processes:

    1. They are counting on CP case; but not much. If you look in the past stats about EB cases processed via CP, it is usually a very small number (and this would just make sense: if you are doing EB green card, you will be working in US and will do AOS). CP cases can not be more than several hundreds.

    2. The major hopes DOS has is on USCIS to process large number of cases. And they ARE capable of doing so; but only RANDOMLY (not in the order of PD or FIFO or anything like that). It is very unlikely that DOS will let USCIS waste any visa numbers. Because it is DOS's responsibility, not USCIS's. And that was main reasoning behind July Fiasco; where DOS wanted to prove that it is not DOS but USCIS who is responsible for the wastage (remember, there were some 60000 visa numbers unused at that time). This time, they are playing the game of "cooperation". DOS will advance dates only till USCIS can handle (not everything Current); and in exchange USCIS will use up all the numbers.

    If USCIS can not show that they have used up at least 75% (or something in that range) of the remaining visa numbers (which are probably in the range predicted in this thread giver or take few thousands) by mid august, DOS will further advance dates in sept. If USCIS shows that they used up most of the numbers, dates may go back. It would not matter what the dates are in sept as the end result is the same: all the remaining visa numbers will be used (probably randomly) to people with PDs upto mid 2006.

    I do not buy the "CP using numbers" theory from Ron or Murthy. It is all about allowing USCIS to use the numbers randomly and let them pick the "low hanging fruits" (as they usually like).

    For the next fiscal year, they will move dates back to mid 2004 (just a wild guess), but I dont think it matters any way...(till the end of the fiscal year). USCIS will probably go in hibernation again till the last quarter of next year and the date will advance again dramatically (may be upto 2008) to let them use all the left over/spilled numbers.

    I think that its a reasonable analysis.





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  • _TrueFacts
    09-04 11:09 PM
    From TOI: http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/newreply.php?do=newreply&noquote=1&p=841163

    Authored way back in 2004

    says:Mr. Iyer’s account should be an eye-opener for those who believed that the TDP lost in Andhra because its programmes had no human face. The face of YSR unmasked by the author is that of a monster and the way the man has worked his way up to become the Chief Minister shows the farcical character of Indian democracy. We wish Sonia Gandhi and Dr. Manmohan Singh spare time to go through this account to know the breed of the horses the Congress party had been backing in the electoral race. It is hard to believe that with the intelligence network at their disposal they were unaware of the criminal background of the man who succeeded Chandrababu Naidu. When we compare the two characters, one the promoter of E-governance and the other the promoter of heinous crimes and corruption we get the uneasy feeling that in India democracy is being raped rather than respected. Leave Andhra alone. Even the Lok Sabha is dominated by criminals whose only qualification is that they are not yet judicially convicted. There is Soren, the Mining Minister, charged for murdering 10 persons in 1975 awaiting to be arrested and hand-cuffed by the Police. Then, of course, we have a number of charge-sheeted under-trials set free on bail including the great Lalu who are Cabinet ministers. Obviously, under compulsion of coalition politics, Dr. Manmohas Singh has no control over these ministers. Depending on the numerical strength of their parties in the Lok Sabha, they dare come out with their own policy announcements every now and then taking the approval of the Prime Minister and the concerned Cabinet Committees for granted on the plea that their decisions were within the confines of the CMP directly or by implication. Paswan’s policy regarding control over production, pricing and distribution of steel, Lalu’s announcement to have Godhra carnage investigated again, DMK coercing the UPA Govt, to release Cavery water for Tamil Nadu, Chief Minister of Andhra (YSR) announcing 5 per cent reservation for Muslims, Chief Minister of Punjab legislating against Sutlej-Yamuna canal project are some of the examples to show that the UPA Govt. is virtually sitting on the edge. On top it, there is the Left occupying the driver’s seat commandeering the UPA Govt. We have a feeling that this Govt. is living on borrowed time and might fall sooner than later..: Sharad C. Misra.
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  • Macaca
    07-04 12:05 PM
    Cost = 800 (Medical for 2 persons- Average) + 1000 (attorney fees- doesn't matter who pays- company or you) + 30 (photos) + 100( Postage) + 100(others)

    Total = 2000 average . I am not adding application fess since USCIS will send it back if they don't process the application.

    Out of 2000 - Medical is only valid for 1 year. In most of cases you will have to pay attorney again. All you can use is photos. I will say everybody atleast lost 1800 ( This is very minimum - also doesn't matter who pays- company or you).

    So lets say everybody lost 1800. Now depend how many people were ready to file the application..
    Photos are valid for fixed time!
    Application Fee : Main Applicant : $375.00 (Application Fee) + $70.00 (Finger Print) + $50.00 (Fedex) + Medical Exam ($250.00) + Photos ($40.00) + Lawer Fee ($1500.00) and if we have any dependent same thing except Application fee and Lawer fess ($325.00 (Application Fee) + 500$ Lawer Fee)

    All Togther : $2285.00 and calling here and there almost $2500.00 Per Person .... any other information please ask us........ thanks
    My attorney mentioned $745 application fee. I don't have the break up. May be it included EAD and AP fee also!

    So I have the following break up

    Primary Applicant

    Application Fee

    I-765 (Application for Employment Authorization) $180
    I-485 (Application for Adjustment of Status to register as Permanent Resident)
    ($225 for applicaiton below 14 and over 80 (Should check on this)) $ 325
    I-131 (Application for Advance Parole / Travel Document) $170 -
    Biometric Recording Fees (Finger Printing, etc) $70
    Total $745

    Lawyer Fee $1000+
    Others

    Medical $250+
    Pictures $30-40
    Postage $50
    Misc $50

    Total $2125+

    Dependent

    Finger Printing $70
    Others

    Medical $250+
    Pictures $30-40
    Postage $50
    Misc $50

    Days off work


    Total $450+


    We will need good reliable estimate on # dependents!



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  • cps060
    04-04 10:31 AM
    hello bobzibub,

    great to see someone welcoming immigrants. My wife is a dentist, licensed in one state of the USA. However she does not have a US DDS. She was licensed by the state as she has great experience and she passed all the tests needed. She has been very well practising dentistry for almost 2.5-3 years now in the US. However, Canada does not let internationally trained dentists get licensed without going to Canadian/American dental school. If you know of any place in CA which would license my wife as she has more than 7 years of exp (4+in India, alomst 3 in USA) and had passed all exams (Board, licensing etc etc), please let me know. That is the single most imp reason for me to still hang im here.

    As a Canuck:
    It is an honor that you folks choose my country to live in.
    Temporarily, or permanent, I hope it works out.
    Every country has its warts. (Mine has them too) but the immigrants to a country are what give it life.

    For the Doctors, check out some rural areas various provinces. I think they have programs that ease the regulatory burden.

    Welcome!
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  • engineer
    07-08 12:33 AM
    1) I am EB3 ROW and my PD is Nov 22, 2005. My I140 is approved and my 485 is filed with Receipt Date of Aug 3, 2007. I have approved AP, EAD and finger printing is complete as well.

    Do you know how many EB3 ROW applications are ahead of me ?
    I am trying to understand how long it will take me to get Green Card ?

    2) What is the process to ask for information related to my case using Freedom of Information Act ?

    Thanks,





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  • surabhi
    07-21 05:35 PM
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    That's because of per country quotas. There may be millions waiting for 15 years under the brothers and sisters category, but once they hit the country limit they are done. The unused numbers may go to brothers and sisters of petitioners from non-backlogged countries. If not, these numbers will flow to EB.

    All FB categories are retrogressed. No category is " Current" so that the visas should spill over. ANd the most recent availability is category 2A.( October, 2003)

    Does this mean there are not enough approvable applications. Doesnt sound right to me with 5 years of minimum retrogression and upto 20 years in case of Philippines for FB category 4.

    Still doesnt make much sense to my how even with USCIS ineffeicienes should there be a spillover.



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  • Ramba
    03-30 02:04 PM
    The most of the guys posting in this thread is not going to vote. Even I think, we all do not have our names in electoral list. There is no sense in arguing who is best or who should be next PM, sitting in US. Furthermore, most of the educated, urban voters will never go to polling booth in hot summer to stand in line to do their duty as a citizen.. Indian�s election of their representatives is fundamentally a show of money and muscle power. Election in India is just a business. It is just investment of money by political parties with the help of capitalists and their lobbyist to get the vote from rural, uneducated, divided voters across the nation. All parties are corruptive, communal, divisive, plays vote bank politics. No exceptions! (whether it is Congress, BJP, communists, BSP, SP, and countless regional parties). One thing I can say or compare about Congress and BJP. Congress is the only party has responsible for bringing both good (economy, growth, education,) and bad (corruption and countless other) thing to India. BJP has not done any good thing to India sofar, only it brought bad things to India (divisive, corruption).

    My input regarding comparison of Manmohan and Advani.

    Manmohan.

    Though, he is not a full time politician, and not a good crowd pulling speaker, he has strong record. He has quietly achieved lot as a RBI governor; FM and PM. US nuclear agreement is a big achievement in his career, despite he had a minority government with the strong left opposition. He does not have long term independent vision, and strong leadership skills. He was widely accepted by all part of the country, as he has no controversial issues.

    Advani,

    He is a good speaker, crowd puller. He is a typical Indian politician. He has leadership skills. He does not have any significant record/achievement to back his claim for PM (either as a ex-minister or politician). For example, he has not done anything to improve the national security when he was a union home minister. He has involved in controversial issue like Babri Majit, and Ram temple issue. He also does not have long term vision, ideas on economy, poverty elimination etc..





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  • pitha
    09-24 12:39 PM
    EB2 India forward movement will happen if and only IF USCIS\DOS does Eb1-->eb2 Row-->Eb2 India \China visa spillover every quarter. There are 4050 pending eb1 485, assuming about 2000 more eb1 485 are added for the next 2 months ther will be 4000 Eb1 (10000-4050-2000) visas avialable for spillover in December 2009. If DOS does a spillover into Eb2 ROW then there would be forward movement for Eb2 India as there are only 7150 Eb2 ROW 485 pending and if 1000 more eb2 row are added for next 2 months EB2 India\china should get approximately 6000 visas [10000 -7150(pending eb2 485-1000(new eb2 485 for next 2 months) + 4000(spillover from Eb1)]. If they dont do spillover the above way then Eb2 india dates would most probably move back until August\Spetember 2010. Can we request DOS to do spilllover every quarter instead of every year because they know the demand from the USCIS report and lot of Eb2 India\ China 485 are pre adjudicated.



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  • gc_chahiye
    06-28 07:14 PM
    My lawfirm just sent everyone an official memo stating the possibility of retrogression sometime in July and that they are working overtime to get all the cases filed at the earliest...They are saying that there is no guarantee that the 485 application will be accepted if DOS decides to retrogress dates in July....

    can you name this firm please?

    Also, anyone using Murthy/rajiv Khanna might want to ping them and get their thoughts on this. Dont know if it matters, consensus now is that dates can go back mid-month and USCIS can also stop accepting applications.





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  • dilipcr
    06-16 03:41 PM
    Nice well thought out arguments. This is the essence of a healthy debate.

    Dilip -

    Could you please respond to questions raised in my post, when you get a chance?


    I would like to add one more thing here - Employment based immigration is not merit based, it is driven by employer-employment unless you self-petition in Eb1/Eb2.

    For the most part it is if it were left to market forces. Employers, rationally, would only want as much as talent for the price they pay. Most importantly, employers would be willing to go the extra mile to sponsor green cards only if they perceive that the immigrant employee would add value both in the present and the future. Now again, when I say employers, I mean the genuine employers and not the fly by night consulting body shops or the outsourcing companies. I strongly believe that EB based GC for a very large part is built on merit. You may see sme cases wherein some ordinary people getting green cards. They, in my opinion , are mostly from these body shops who got "lucky". Cant believe I am using that word !!!.

    You may be very much qualified, if there is no employer who is ready to sponsor your green card, you are out of luck, so please do not put argument that only best and qualified people get GC.

    Employers will be restricted in applying for GC for very qualified employees only in the period of recession. This happened with companies like CSCO etc in2001. wherein many of my friends left the company because cisco was barred from applying for GC after mass layoffs. But then after a year or so they started applying again. If you are referring to such scenarios, I would recommend patience because the immigrant per se is extremely well talented.

    I don't think it matters, but I am from college based in Kharagpur WB.

    In my opinion it does not. But be careful in this forum though. People may view your statement as egotistic.
    Have a good day!




    Where did you get that 80k number? You think 80k is good salary for that job, someone else may say 65k, I may say 90k. The salary, among other things, is determined by market forces. If you can't find enough people with xyz then company will be forced to offer more.

    As long as there are people who are ready to work on salary 52k (example), employer will not pay 70k. As long as employer is following all the legal requirements, no one can dictate salary for the job.

    I agree that the employer will pay the salary that is cosummate with the market. No well meaning employer will undercut to save a few pennies at the risk of losing out on quality.
    What if the market pay scales are distorted through pervasive fraud ? If you look at it from an employer's view, it gets murkier. Believe it or not, low cost always signal lower quality. Trust me this is marketing 101. Google low cost and the perceptive signals. It is truly tough for the employer to trust the low cost employee's skillset.

    Now the distortion comes into play when outsourcing companies flout rules and undercut the market through pervasive fraud. Like other industries such as manufacturing/agriculture etc, IT wages are destined to decline but not at this rate. The acceleration in the decline of wages is perpetuated by these scum outsourcing companies. If the decline in wages were let to decline at the speed of market, then it gives talented people time to upgrade skills or move to other industries without having to sacrifice quality of living. So per your argument, yes the end employer is following the rules by employing people from the outsourcing company because the employer does not know or looks the other way of the outsourcing company commiting pervasive fraud. Oh BTW that 80K number was just to highlight that the L1s should be paid high too. It was not based on any scientific or statistical evidence.


    I am a US citizen of Indian origin with background in Computer Science, Finance, and Business Laws. I have been in this country for 11+ years and I have seen so many changes in tech world. Nobody talks of sign-on bonus on H1B anymore. I am dot net architect and I am seeing lot of competition for jobs and this is causing downtrend pressure on salary. But, instead of, blaming someone else for the competition, I am taking it head on. We need to keep working on our skillset and employer will pay the salary. Like they say, for the right candidate salary is not a constraint.

    I agree with you on the above points. You are doing the right thing in not blaming others for the downtrend in salaries. However, you are fundamentally assuming that you would have enough time to upgrade and adapt. What if that assumption falls apart ? What if outsourcign companies hit your employer with people with your skillsets at abysmal prices through fraud ? Today many companies do not look into the long term but make short term decisions. They may prefer the loss in quality for the "immediate" cost savings. It may take time for them to realize their follies. In trading, they say that a trader needs to have enough juice to survive the market irrationality. In a similar vein, if you have the wherewithal to survive the employer's short term irrational decisions, then more power to you.

    Let us not forget our struggling days of H1. The least, we can do, is to encourage our fellow immigrants who are waiting for their green cards.

    That is exactly the reason I am here. I want to encourage the truly deserving. I dont know who the truly deserving are on this board. But they know themselves. My encouragement is for them is to ensure that they dont get bogged psychologically despite being immensely talented.

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  • johnggberg
    07-10 07:29 PM
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  • Macaca
    06-28 09:01 AM
    From page 35 of Citizenship and Immigration Services Ombudsman Annual Report to Congress June 2007 (http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/CISOMB_Annual%20Report_2007.pdf).

    There will be severe consequences from rapid fluctuations in priority dates.

    If the priority date became current today, due to delayed USCIS processing and thus underutilization of visa numbers, some have predicted that within a few months as many as 500,000 to 750,000 individuals now residing in the United States under a temporary worker visa could apply for a green card.
    Additionally, DOL’s recent backlog elimination efforts, scheduled to be completed by September 30, 2007, are predicted to add 70,000 or more approved labor certifications yielding as many as 170,000 additional green card applications.
    As USCIS begins to complete these applications and request visa numbers from DOS, the 140,000 statutorily authorized visa numbers will be used. DOS then will be required to retrogress priority dates. Consequently, most applicants in this scenario will find themselves trapped where as they anticipated timely receipt of a green card, their wait exceeds seven or more years. In addition, all future employment-based green card applicants effectively would be barred from applying for many years.



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  • paskal
    12-13 12:02 PM
    as always Mark!


    There may or may not be constitution grounds to challenge the law, I've thought about this too, however from a pragmatic point of view....

    1) The money needed to pay the lawyers would likely be more than for lobbying. Importantly money for legal costs is best to be on hand -- i.e. good cash flow, otherwise you risk missing legal deadlines. It would mean diverting money from lobbying. If we were flush with cash e.g. every member paid just $100 per year this would work.

    2) Even among members of congress that are behind us, several have reservations about removing country cap (although they are willing to raise it).

    3) EB3 ROW is retrogressed anyway. India EB3 is about May 2001, and ROW EB3 Oct 2002. The effect of only removing country quota would be put EB3 generally at about Oct 2001.

    The way to move forward for all is to increase total through put, e.g. raise caps, remove dependents from caps, recapture unused quota, tie caps to multiple of H1B quota. For ROW it would move steadily forward, and India move and then would jump forward every 4th quarter with massive spill over from ROW.

    As I said I'm not against the idea in principle, just being pragmatic.





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  • vdlrao
    07-21 12:15 AM
    I presume, from the July 2007 fiasco DOS might have learnt a lesson of deciding the cut off dates very care fully based on the Aproved labors In a pertucular year from a perticular country with a perticular ctegory. So thats the reason why I am thinking that instead of putting whole EB2 as a current
    (It is estimated that there are aout 20k + visas still available for this fiscal year) DOS has put a cut of date for EB2 India/china to Jun 2006. So I could say USCIS is making the cut off dates very carefully by using all the available information like approved labors in a perticular year from a perticular country and in a perticular category.


    ----------------------------------------------------------------
    Originally Posted by delax
    Here you go - conversion should not impact this as the number of LC approvals remains the same:

    Here are all the LC approvals for India in the last seven years.

    Year, Total LC Approved, Total India
    2007 85112 24573
    2006 79782 22298
    2005 6133 1350
    2004 43582 No Info
    2003 62912 No Info
    2002 79784 No Info
    2001 77921 No Info
    2000 70204 No Info

    ---------------------------------------------------------------------
    If you see the appoved labors by a fiscal year above, I am assuming that there would be about 10,000 labours for EB2 India every full year except 2005.
    In 2005 there may be only about 600 labors for EB2 India.


    Based on this it would be
    About 5,000 labors for EB2 India from April 2004 to Sep 2004 (About half year),
    About 600 labors for EB2 India from Oct 2004 - Sep 2005

    About 5,000 labors for EB2 India from Oct 2005 to 1st Jun 2006( About half year)

    So total labors may be around 10,600 which needs about 25,000 visas.


    So it seems there are about 20k visas availble now.

    So they have moved the dates accordingly.



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  • pbuckeye
    07-30 03:06 PM
    After reading so many cold calling failures, I am yet to see a "success story" of this methodology.

    If nobody got "converted" after being approached by a total stranger in a public place, why does BWW/Quixstar/Amway continue to do it.

    Perhaps we should ask Q/Teddy to collect this data, analyze it and prove to them the futility of it all. Maybe then they will stop and everybody can shop/work/study in peace. :D





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  • priderock
    03-27 02:13 PM
    Please do not use offensive language. Despite our disagreements we must be mature in our language. I request you to please edit your post.



    .........................
    Why don't you tell us how much you bought your labor for? Show us a proof that you have not bought it.

    ...............................
    ........................
    It is with such mentaility they are brought up with in their country- Currption and getting things done with money. ........................................... In my country people contribute only when they fear god in temples, for medical treatment or to astrologers!!


    ........................whenever someone is diagnosed with a substitute labor cancer. Yes it is a cancer that is worsening retrogression further.

    ..................................

    Now if someone argues with me on this post, then it will mean that either that person has himself bought a substitute labor or is looking for one.............

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  • tikka
    07-04 12:57 PM
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    http://digg.com/politics/Rep_Lofgren_Issues_Statement_on_Updated_Visa_Bulle tin

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    mbawa2574
    02-15 05:20 PM
    You are not saying there are more chinese and indians here, so that means what? that there are not more chinese and indians here?
    As you said half the world population is indian or chinese and I'm saying this, rather than pure skill, is why there are more of them here. This is why I repeatedly protest your reference to only skills and brightness as the factor for the non balanced EB population.
    If the world population is the reference, the US would have to take half of its immigrants from 2 countries, they clearly don't want that so they conciously set that rule.. u need them to change the rule u need to give them a reason that's useful for them not for you.

    Can't you understand the meaning of fair shot and equality ? Let people apply in FIFO . Don't tell me what US wants ? No one has a clear idea of it.and suddenly people like you for your personal interests have started opposing IV's skill based initiative because your dates moved a little ahead and supporting existing discriminatory laws. What will happen when they retrogress again to 1999 next month ? What will be your stand then? Did you come to IV rally ? Probably not because you think of your personal interest and have nothing to do with the big picture.





    bayarea07
    07-27 06:42 PM
    Kushal,
    This whole conversation was not intended to be personal and if it hurt you in any way then we all apologize ,most of the people here might be in or against amway/quixter but they are all more pissed of by the way they are harassed by so called IBO's with the way they treat their prospective clients.
    Why not just move on if somebody says no or gives a excuse to the IBO's, if anybody does
    really feel interested they will ultimately come back to you guys but why harass them with multiple calls and personal visits.

    Note - I would be intersted to see your tax returns :-) email me please since you agreed to.


    Since you are in bay area I will reply to you. I don't need to see his tax papers, as long I can see mine. IF you are happy with your thinking so be it...stay where you are...and you can google froogle whatever you want. You will find your like minded people there too.

    I don't need to share my thoughts here...its like talking to anti-immigrants on legal/illegal immigration.
    Peace OUT!!



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